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Assassination is the only viable option at this stage. The Russians have shamelessly brought us to the precipice of extinction. They shouldn't be afforded any conventions we enjoy.

Again the cuban crisis being used to try and explain some sort of equivalence to the situation now...

Question: Were NATO or the USA about to send nuclear weapons to be stationed in Ukraine?

The answer is no, so there is no equivalence to the Cuban missile crisis as much as posters with some sort of agenda try to make out there is.

Seeing the world as it is and not some land of make believe somehow implies being "nefarious"? Good one.

The fact is Russia exists. It's always been a corrupt dysfunctional country and always will be but it has it's interests to protect as well like every other country.

Those interests collide most in Eastern Europe.

Those countries are sovereign but they are only sovereign to the point where due regard has to be given to Russia in their decision making. Not because they want to but because they have to. It's the geopolitical reality of the whole region.

No amount of wishful thinking is going to change that.

I would lose no sleep whatsoever about Russian military being killed off in this way. They know what they're there for, to invade and subjugate a neighbouring state: to kill, rape & pillage. The more body bags sent back to the motherland, the sooner this horror show will end.

All smaller countries give regard to bigger neighbours in their decision making. The same as we do with Britain, for example.

Nothing unusual about it.

Having regard for is a world apart from "bends over the table for fear of brutal invasion, occupation and cleansing".

Ireland has made tough decisions that the UK wasn't wild about without having to worry about being annihilated as a nation state in response.

There is everything unusual, unacceptable and flat out evil about Putin's actions, to try and badly dress it up as "weeelll Ukraine has a part in this" is pathetic.

merry go round argument....

Nukes are in Kallinigrad since the limited onshore Aegis project went live in Romania and Turkey (although, arguably they have been there all along)..

Russia are using arguments in the SALT agreements (which they no longer adhere to) to justify this..

Then you have the hypocritical argument of them having hypersonics which can penetrate any current defence system.... yet they piss and moan about NATO defences that are only supposedly good enough again non hypersonic targets...

Russia just want land, and will use any excuse to justify it... simple

You're missing the point completely. It doesn't matter what we think NATO is. It matters what Russians think NATO is.

They don't trust NATO. That's the reality.

Anything else is wishful thinking.

They are using a time machine to bring Russian forces from the 1970s?

I think they appreciate that NATO is a defence organisation, and therein lies the problem.

NATO has the potential to defend member states from being brutally subjugated by Russia and THAT is what Russia can't abide.

It's actually deeper than that, any ideology that sanctifies individual human existence is a huge threat to Soviet thinking. And it IS Soviet thinking, they never evolved any further.

"The Security Service of Ukraine announced that it had liquidated a hostile subversive and reconnaissance group that operated in Ukraine. It was preparing for a terrorist attack - shooting down a passenger plane over Russia or Belarus and blaming the Ukrainian army for it. They wanted to do this with the American Stinger MANPADS. The agents, pretending to be volunteers, tried to establish contacts with representatives of the Armed Forces. To gain credibility, they were to provide the Ukrainian army with reliable information about the positions and movements of the Kadyrovs. After gaining the trust, they planned to illegally acquire the Stingers and take them to Russia."

In this article the Guardian talk about what Lenin would advise the West to do.

Lenin!

FFS, would an article about what Hitler would recommend be tolerated, course not.

Yet a man who had 250k people murdered in the Ukraine by his secret police in just 30 months is someone to be listened to.

A man who unleashed the most murderous social order in European history and is only beaten as the most murderous in the world by Communist China, who followed his vision.

A man that Russian forces are putting statues up of, in occupied Ukraine.

The West never cleared out the Communist/ Radical left fox in the henhouse from its society.

Beliefs founded in mass murder and genocide and driven on by mass murder.

It ll be great when technology reaches the point where nukes can be stopped and NATO can just go in a stomp the likes of putin into the ground. The only crutch they have is the nuke outside of that the russians would be rinised completely and this war would have been over weeks ago or never started in the first place.