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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Good to see Sean O'Brien involved. Classy player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭FrannoFan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I suppose it's a possibility. If Larmour's out he could make the XXIII? I'd have thought Frawley would be ahead of him for the #23 jumper at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Decent enough team, considering. This will most likely be Adam Byrne's last appearance for Leinster. I'm ecstatic to see Milne back! I have hopes that he can push on and be a quality loose head. Of course, his season was junk with injury this year! Happy to see Leo chuck Deeny back into the fire!

    Overall with a shallow squad, the ideal result would be any kind of point. The kids have done well so far! Hopefully, a solid effort with a point or more is attainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Are they considering TOB for next week's squa? Jimmy o brien needs to watch back while TOB is performing like he did last week.

    It's probably a bit early for TOB, but why is he not even in the squad for this game?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Lsdrugbyfan


    TOB still in SA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭arsebiscuits1


    I wouldn't say they're considering him no.

    But an injury to Jimmy or Larmour, both of whom have been carrying various things this season would see Tommy in much higher demand.

    So It's possible they wont want to risk him picking up a 3 weeker here in a game that is inconsequential



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah fair one. They really are considering this game a lost cause. Weakest leinster squad I can remember for a long time. They're banking in getting something from the munster game to seal the deal. Bit of a gamble either way.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Tobias Bewildered Bluebird


    That's a team sent out to die. Must be one of the weakest selections Leinster have made this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    Can you name me any pro team where the Hooker doesn't throw into the lineout? No reason why a 10 has to be the placekicker sure John Eales used to be the main kicker for Australia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,741 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Hooker throwing is self fulfilling, it’s seen as part of their job, therefore if a hooker can’t throw then someone else would have to do it but nobody else will have trained to do it so it’s easier to replace the hooker with someone that can throw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    No. I can't think of any. It's very rigid thinking. A player like Dan Sheehan is about as tall and heavy as the back row jumping options. But it would never occur to them to train the other back rows as throwers or trian the likes of Sheehas as a jumper.

    They're just pigeonholed and assigned roles without consideration of whether they're most suited to the role or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    I know same as scrumhalf passing the ball, prop scrumming etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    It's certainly an interesting idea. You could get the whole team training throwing the ball and see who's best.

    It would present certain problems. Say your best thrower was a centre and he was unavailable. Then what? The next centre up might not be any use as a thrower and you'd have to switch to someone else who maybe hadn't been throwing in all season in actual games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,815 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It’d be way too much of an overhead to have the whole team practicing tho. And there’s almost zero chance of a back doing it, given strike moves off a line out, I’d imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,741 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Well not really that’s their primary job which is dictated by how the game is played, hooker throwing is more traditional but as I said if they can’t then it’s unlikely anyone else has practiced at it much. So it becomes a requirement that they can do that to get picked, there’s no physical reason it needs be them, props have to prop, scrum halves have to pass as their primary job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'd say it would be sensible to try the forwards. I'm not suggesting the centres because they're busy at lineout time. probably not your primary jumpers either because it would be difficult throw and jump at the same time. But I did mention the fact that Dan Sheehan, for example, is abut the same height and weight as a lot of back row forwards. He's about the same height and weight as POM and VDF. Why those players are pigeonholed as jumpers and he's pigeonholed as a thrower, isn't clear to me. Is it clear to you?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Because Sheehan is a good thrower who has probably been doing it since he first started playing rugby?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sure. If you're a hooker you start throwing early because you're pigeonholed into that role. That's my issue. The lack of imagination in training players and finding the strongest throwers in the pack.

    I'm not suggesting there's as much they can do by the time they're professionals. I'm certainly not suggesting they retrain a player like POM to throw at the end of his career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I think Leinster are looking very solid with hookers. 2 international players and a solid #3, in Treacy. McKie looks decent and there's a youngster in Barron. It could be an area of strenght!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Jean-Pierre Rives occasionally used to throw into the lineout for France when he was Blindside Flanker. That was back in the 1980s though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I mention the backs because I think it used to be commonplace for the scrumhalf or blindside winger to lob it in to the lineout back in the days before lifting. My memory's a little fuzzy; was it winger Grant Batty, or scrumhalf Sid Going who was throwing in for NZ in the 1973 Baabaas game?

    I guess props are needed for lifting, and second rows for jumping. Hookers and 7s tend to be the lightest members of the pack, but the openside might have specific defensive duties off the lineout, so to get your heaviest players in early to form a maul the throw is left to the hooker? Maybe?



  • Subscribers Posts: 43,485 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Lifting wasn't allowed until 1999.


    Before that it read the same as u13s rugby, the line out was a lottery.


    Didn't matter who throw in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,815 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    “Why those players are pigeonholed as jumpers and he's pigeonholed as a thrower, isn't clear to me. Is it clear to you?”

    I’d imagine it’ll be because those players have better counter-movement jump stats than Sheehan, for a start. Couple that with the fact Sheehan will have significantly more experience throwing, that’s going to be a huge head start for him too.

    I remember reading parts of Keith Earls book thinking it was obvious that so much more actually gets tracked, versus the rudimentary stats we’re often privy to, so if there was an opportunity to get an edge there, I’d be amazed if we hadn’t seen it already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    As far as I know, hookers almost always threw into the l/o. Back in the day the squads were small, so if the hooker got injured, somebody else assumed the role. There wasn't many subs allowed back then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Looking forward to seeing how the pups go today! I assume a loss, but hope for any result.

    Just watched the Bulls v Glasgow highlights and I am amazed at the size and quality of the stadia down there! They must come up here and look at the **** stadiums and wonder WTF!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭wavehopper1


    Interesting to see how some South Africans view the fixture. One of the hosts, Mark Keohane, is sometimes the equivalent of Stephon Jones i.e. a wind-up merchant. But he seems quite reasonable here, if a little excitable.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭durthacht


    Fair warning, he tries to put on an Irish accent at around 3:00. It is not good.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I'm not sure why it's mostly second and third rowers who jump in the lineout.

    I'd say someone like Israel Folau or Jordie Barrett would be great options. Excellent vertical leap, very tall and lighter than the average lock.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Because if you wanted to keep it in the forwards after winning it they wouldn't be as much use and if you wanted to give the ball to the backs you need them out in the backline. You have to be thinking further ahead than just securing possession.



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