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Non contributory pension

  • 22-04-2022 9:44pm
    #1
    mike123123
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭


    I'm asking for someone else. They get a non contributory pension. How does the pension office calculate someone as having an income from a farm ,when its shown it's running at a small loss. Farm accounts were sent to them.

    Is there some formulae or calculator the pension office use. How would you absolutely show there is no profit from the farm, so as to show theres no means assesible from the farm.

    They say it can be appealed and/or additional documentation sent in. At the minute this persons pension is going to be cut.

    I'm told the government are doing a lot of audits so as to claim back some of the money spent on pup payments, etc.

    Thanks



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  • #2
    minerleague
    Registered Users Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Not sure but any money held in bank accounts ( savings ) taken into account not just yearly profit/loss



  • #3
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,055 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242863/non-contributory-pension

    If you've over €100000 in assets, which is nothing in farmland, you won't qualify for non contributory pension as far as I know



  • #4
    mike123123
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭mike123123


    Limit on savings cap not exceeded. They are maintaining theres a profit from farming , when theres actually not. Farm accounts were submitted showing that.

    Thanks



  • #5
    minerleague
    Registered Users Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭minerleague


    Only other thing I can think of is that they may calculate profit differently? ( may not allow certain items ?? depreciation, stock relief )



  • #6
    mike123123
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭mike123123


    Farmland not in their name. In other family members.


    Thanks



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  • #7
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,055 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118963018#Comment_118963018

    I don't think they go by farm accounts, I know that subsidies drawn had a big influence in a case I know, ie they wouldn't accept an income less than the subs drawn but there's a lot more to it as well



  • #8
    Easten
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    There have been so many different cases where the farmers never submitted tax returns and couldn't get the pension. Then ones that never told Welfare that they owned land so they got the pension which was ok for them until they died. It's at that point the fun starts once the Government find out there was land/assets then they will want all the money repaid.

    Last case I heard of was in Co. Clare where a farmer who had no entitlement to a Pension left the land to charity but by the time the Government got their money back the Charity got nothing



  • #9
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If you look up citizen information website it gives details

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/means_test_for_social_welfare_payments/means_test.html

    Basically it places an income on the farm and it up to you to achieve it

    Slava Ukrainii



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