Non contributory pension

mike123123 · 22-04-2022 9:44pm #1

I'm asking for someone else. They get a non contributory pension. How does the pension office calculate someone as having an income from a farm ,when its shown it's running at a small loss. Farm accounts were sent to them.

Is there some formulae or calculator the pension office use. How would you absolutely show there is no profit from the farm, so as to show theres no means assesible from the farm.

They say it can be appealed and/or additional documentation sent in. At the minute this persons pension is going to be cut.

I'm told the government are doing a lot of audits so as to claim back some of the money spent on pup payments, etc.

Thanks

minerleague · 22-04-2022 9:50pm

Not sure but any money held in bank accounts ( savings ) taken into account not just yearly profit/loss

wrangler · 22-04-2022 9:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058242863/non-contributory-pension

If you've over €100000 in assets, which is nothing in farmland, you won't qualify for non contributory pension as far as I know

mike123123 · 22-04-2022 9:54pm

Limit on savings cap not exceeded. They are maintaining theres a profit from farming , when theres actually not. Farm accounts were submitted showing that.

Thanks

minerleague · 22-04-2022 10:08pm

Only other thing I can think of is that they may calculate profit differently? ( may not allow certain items ?? depreciation, stock relief )

mike123123 · 22-04-2022 10:35pm

Farmland not in their name. In other family members.

Thanks

wrangler · 22-04-2022 10:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118963018#Comment_118963018

I don't think they go by farm accounts, I know that subsidies drawn had a big influence in a case I know, ie they wouldn't accept an income less than the subs drawn but there's a lot more to it as well

Easten · 23-04-2022 8:33am

There have been so many different cases where the farmers never submitted tax returns and couldn't get the pension. Then ones that never told Welfare that they owned land so they got the pension which was ok for them until they died. It's at that point the fun starts once the Government find out there was land/assets then they will want all the money repaid.

Last case I heard of was in Co. Clare where a farmer who had no entitlement to a Pension left the land to charity but by the time the Government got their money back the Charity got nothing

Bass Reeves · 24-04-2022 1:44pm

If you look up citizen information website it gives details

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/irish_social_welfare_system/means_test_for_social_welfare_payments/means_test.html

Basically it places an income on the farm and it up to you to achieve it

Non contributory pension

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