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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    So...in light of a federal judge ruling in the States, the CDC will not enforce their public transportation mask mandate - including on flights to and from the US.

    "In light of the decision, the Transportation Security Administration, which runs security at airports, will not enforce directives "requiring mask use on public transportation and transportation hubs at this time," an administration official said."

    After the ruling was announced, United Airlines dropped its mask mandate on domestic flights and some international flights, depending on the rules in the country of arrival.

    It was soon followed by American Airlines, Delta Airlines and Alaska Airlines, who all made masks optional for crew members and customers on domestic and most international flights.


    What does this mean for travelling to the US on, say, Aer Lingus - would travellers not have to wear masks right now? Or can Aer Lingus require it anyway (I don't think there are Irish regulations on this). I'm guessing they will still require them, but given Delta and American Airlines not, would be interesting to see whose lead they take.

    edit: Virgin Atlantic in the UK have removed masks for travel to USA immediately.

    Post edited by podgeandrodge on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red



    Does someone need to come out & officially call this.

    The resources thrown at the testing regime needs to be looked at as a minimum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭VG31


    Aer Lingus is one of the only European national airlines that are legally able to remove masks on flights but have not done so; i.e. airlines that are based in countries that don't require masks on public transport. Finnair is the only other one I know of.

    Swiss, BA, KLM, Icelandair, SAS, Norwegian, LOT Polish, Croatia Airlines and Czech Airlines all no longer require masks where not legally mandated.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    I think Ryanair also are still mandating. Whether they can enforce it is debatable in the absence of the CDC regulation right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭VG31


    The CDC regulation is only for flights to/from the US. There is no legal mandate on the European flights, it's just their own rule at this stage. The US mandate ending may well prompt them to change this though.

    Ryanair I understand more because they fly from so many countries. Although MOL has mentioned that masks may be gone by April or May.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The insurance companies and marketing departments will decide whether masks on European flights are necessary.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭phormium


    Ryanair are not enforcing masks, at least not on UK route, only about 50% wearing masks last week on a flight and no comments from air crew when boarding.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Yes, but that's not official, just crew tired of trying to enforce! Officially Ryanair still has mask mandate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    Flew to Luton at the weekend with Ryanair, masks were still being enforced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,845 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Do Irish hospitals still have dedicated covid wards?

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭phormium


    Didnt say it was the official line, merely what's happening in real life, maybe it depends on the crew, I'm sure they are tired of trying to enforce it!



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    British Airways have immediately removed the mask mandate for travel to the USA, following the ruling. They said it is up to customer preference once the destination rules don't mandate it. A sensible decision.

    But British Airways are part of the IAG group, as are Aer Lingus. But Aer Lingus continue to enforce the mask mandate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Aerlingus are making up the rules as they go along. They bizarrely quoted “US federal LAW” mask wearing requirement on a recent Dublin bound flight from Chicago. The cabin crew were extreme in the enforcement too. We were directed to sip water from our bottles and immediately replace our masks. (Was as if we were at the height of the pandemic March/April 2020 or something)

    Constant messaging from the crew over the announcement speaker and spot checking the passengers up and down the aisles. I personally couldn’t wait to get off the plane. Nightmare flight.

    I’ll be certainly be avoiding aerlingus on my next US bound flight if they keep up that disproportionate nonsense.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Yeah, that's my concern. They are broadly blaming US rules for the mask mandate on those flights, but as soon as the US rules are removed, they just are, like, well, whatever. How does an airline that is part of AIG, not have to move to make adjustments in the same way as its sister company British Airways. Politics somewhere here, not science.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    So now, Aer Lingus have REMOVED the mask mandate for..................direct flights from Manchester to USA.


    "Note: Face masks are now optional on direct flights between Manchester and the US."



    So, the website https://www.aerlingus.com/support/covid19-information/new-safety-measures/

    states:

    "In light of Covid-19, we have introduced new measures to maintain our high standards of health and safety."


    But not if you are going from Mancester. Cos....like....Covid treats em different there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Such a load of operational cods wallop . Are lingus should just remove this last remaining mask virtue signalling throughout its entire fleet. Concentrate on real safety issues now.

    ps ….. they can appease the hypochondriacs by assuring them that the hepa filters are fully operational and “cleaning” the air or whatever.

    pps….. I’m due to fly to Spain this coming Tuesday via Ryanair. It’d be great if Micheal O’Leary (who was very vocal during the covid madness over the last 25 months) actually followed the US ruling and removed the flight / mask mandate. Shocked he hasn’t done this yet. Why’s he waiting ?



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Gas thing, the masks mandate they have introduced for "health and safety" of their customers related to Covid. So they must therefore not care about their customers over in Manchester? :)



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Ahh, here is the answer in the Irish Times:


    On Monday it emerged that US authorities will no longer enforce wearing masks on aircraft, trains or buses following a Florida court ruling.

    In response to that, an Aer Lingus spokeswoman said it follows the Irish Government “protocol for the management of air passengers in light of Covid-19”, a position informed by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and European Centre for Disease prevention and Control (ECDC) protocol. Both provide for the wearing of masks.

    “However, in light of the Florida court decision regarding the United States mask mandate and the fact the United Kingdom does not require the wearing of masks on board, there is now an urgent need to review both the Irish Government and EASA-ECDC protocols in order to remove the provisions regarding the wearing of masks on board,” she said.

    Any such move would only follow a broader relaxation of coronavirus restrictions. But it would likely lead to unease among some passengers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,585 ✭✭✭VG31


    I suspect that's a commercial decision. Since BA and Virgin Atlantic don't require masks they don't want to lose business. The Irish market doesn't matter as much as masks are still mandatory on their main competitor Ryanair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭maebee


    Sorry if it's been answered before (I only visit this thread occasionally) but are the free antigen tests still available from the HSE for ages up to 39? I looked on the HSE site and couldn't see anything about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The covid mitigation measures didn't stop making sense recently

    They never did.

    Effective as rosary beads



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Nah, see other post. Turns out "Aer Lingus spokeswoman said it follows the Irish Government “protocol for the management of air passengers in light of Covid-19”, a position informed by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and European Centre for Disease prevention and Control (ECDC) protocol. Both provide for the wearing of masks."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Short answer is no. If you're under 55 OR fully boosted and you have symptoms, the official advice is that a test is no longer necessary, you just have to isolate until you're 48 hours symptom-free.

    However, you can still request them from here: https://www.hse.ie/antigentesting/

    There's no real logic in the form, they won't check who you are or whether you're "entitled" to free tests, so fire away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Hospital decline continues with no indication of slowing down. Down by nearly 1,000 in 3.5 weeks. 654 today.

    At this rate by Saturday we'll have the lowest number of people in hospital this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    And it’s a further indictment on the medical / media push of last month to continue to enforce mask wearing in a mandatory form. They have remained very silent in the past 3 weeks while we witness the obvious natural declines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I was just thinking to myself that if mask mandates were brought in weeks ago i think that without doubt they’d be all claiming that masks were the reason of the big drop in hospitals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    A plethora of doctors and supposedly intelligent medical experts look very silly after baying for reintroduction of mask wearing on any form of media that would entertain them.

    Can you imagine if masks were reintroduced and we were again lectured with bullshit graphs about how hospital number decreased by a thousand after measures were introduced?

    How many restrictions were effectively useless since 2020?

    We were just trying to stop the tide with a bucket, cases rise and fall naturally, we have proof now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    100%. The public health advice was bang on the money and the government stuck with that and stood firm against media/TU pressure. Hugely significant moment.



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