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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,475 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    An edge lord? Fecking hell you guys are some cringefest.

    'I hate Russia the most'

    'No I hate Russia, Germany, France and the EU''

    'I have military experience so I know what's going on (3 summers in the FCA)'

    'I hate Putin so much I've written a poem about it'

    It's pathetic. You don't even keep up to date on events. If Donjoe wasn't throwing in a few retweets ye wouldn't even know what was going on.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I know Putin doesnt follow international laws and treatys and they are good at deception and propaganda as well.

    However as seen in the past with T14 Armata and Su57 and other project that never seen mass production,and i suspect this is the case with their socalled hypersonic missiles as well,and will be case with RS 28 Sarmat,espesially now when they are hit by sanctions.

    Having 10 RS 28 Sarmat can offcourse do alot of damage,but wont help much when NATO have 20 times the amount with Trident missiles and minutmen and they are being upgraded and maintained regulary.

    I dont think Russia does

    Russia do need high grade semi conductors to make these missiles and others,and they wont be producing much now under sanctions.

    That RS 28 Sarmat was just for showing off and same was the hypersonic missile they used in Ukraine.

    Another thing is anti ballistic missile defence where NATO and US is lightyears ahead of Russia.

    Thats why both Russia and China are doing so much research into hypersonic missiles,to get around these defences

    I still think he is bluffing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    I wonder what the feelings of the average German (i.e the voters) is in all this, that's all that will really matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The rouble is being artificially propped up by the Russian central bank and their currency controls. Basically, they are buying rouble when and where they can to prop up it's value, they are also punishing those who sell it (where possible). They can do this in the short term because they have foreign reserves, unfortunately many of their reserves (hundreds of billions worth) are blocked so they won't be able to do it indefinitely. Check back in 6 months to a year on the value of the rouble.

    As for the switch to BRICs countries, indeed, to a certain level. With gas, one of Russia's key exports, it won't be until 2025 that they will have the infrastructure to sell much larger quantities to China, and even then it will only be a fraction of what they currently sell to Europe.

    The EU is reliant on Ru oil and gas now. However that's changing for obvious reasons, the Germans expect to reduce reliance by 80% this year, and I'd say by next year there will be a significant drop across the board.

    Most of the world's richest countries are not just sanctioning Russia, they are using import controls, restrictions, industry boycotts, the world's largest shipping container companies no longer do business with Russia, Boeing and Airbus have pulled out meaning Russia can no longer service the leased aircraft they've stolen, this is all just the tip of the iceberg. In the short-term, they look "fine", however we can see all the red flags already. The situation in 1 to 2 years will be very interesting. It doesn't matter how much a country floats on oil/gas (cough, Venezuela), when the sanctions hit and wealthiest economies in the world stop doing business with them, not good for the medium/long term.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,094 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    How the hell did Ukraine lose $200m of military hardware in the first place?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    "The UN? We no longer recognise them", wouldn't be surprised if that will be Russia's response:-




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What exactly is Scholz up to? Has Putin got info on him or something? His behaviour this week is downright weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    Sorry, not interested. Take your trolling elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Is the Irish press systematically lying about Ukraine, is the world's press doing that?

    If so, what is it. If no, then your "concerns" are ill-founded.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Excalibur might face problems since its GPS guided,and Russia have some powerfull gps jammers,however copperheads might be better option,i do believe the Bayraktars and the new drones from the US,predators will have this capability with laser designators.

    Besides laser designators can be used by ground troops as well

    But all these shells also comes with a high price,they are very expensive,so i guess they wont be used to often unless its high value targets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You have to remember too 8 years ago the Minsk and Minsk 2 agreements that Russia repeatedly broke to grab more ground in eastern Ukraine , each time Russia only wanted to deal with the Germans and french ,at one point Russia wanted ukraine removed from peace talks about what was happening in their own country,

    Germany and the french should never be thrusted with anything to do with ukraine ,I beginning to think the Nato should reconsider what role the Germans play in the organization ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Why would Putin need info on him? Maybe the man just doesn't want to escalate this madness any further? Maybe he doesn't want to get dragged step by step into a war with Russia that has the potential for nuclear escalation? Maybe all this isn't actually in Germany's (or anyones but the US) interest?

    Are people so anti-Russia war crazy brainwashed that they have lost all perspective what further escalation could lead to? wtaf?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That would be fine in theory but if he is literally lying about what weapons Germany has available, that's quite a different matter. Many other countries such as the Netherlands are sending heavy armaments to Ukraine without difficulty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Germany should absolutely not be pressured into further escalation and further involvement whatsoever. The Ukrainians in their ongoing demands towards Germany backed by NATO front media start to become insufferable. There is a historical background wrt Germany and Russia for starters and secondly this is not Germany's war. Germany is way too deep in it already. It should have never come to this.

    The Ukrainian government have let themselves being made a pawn by the US and now they try to drag the world into WW3. This has to stop before its too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    "Escalation", "Ukrainian demands".......you're drifting into the pro-Putin line here.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Putin is good at one thing,ill give him that,brainwashing his own people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,475 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Thanks for the update Putin. And now back to Lavrov for the weather.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    How would you call it?

    That Ukrainian ambassador to Germany is insufferable. Yes they aren't asking for stuff they are demanding stuff. And delivering heavy armament is an escalation.

    How is calling a spade a spade a pro-putin line?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,475 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    How is it a spade a spade?

    Ukraine is rightly asking for help from its European nighbours to repel this absolutely disgustingly disgraceful war from an aggressor that is actively committing war crimes.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick



    I take it the Conspiracy forum is quiet then, Fritti.

    There's more to Germany's reluctance than meets the eye, and your comment that they would be "dragged step by step into a war with Russia" is ridiculous when all the other European nations are already doing their bit.

    Sure it has the potential for nuclear escalation, but that will be the case whether or not Germany provides more. Putin has a warped mind and an equally warped view of how the world should revolve around Russian demands. His swift fall from grace is the greatest danger to nuclear action as his arrogance and sense of importance may lead him to give the world a few parting shots. We shall see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    You were asking how it was an escalation and how 'demands'. From Germany's viewpoint it is an escalation. And yes the tone of that ambassador is shocking, he is making demands. There is no other way of calling it.

    The Ukrainian government has knowingly played with fire and is dragging their country into the abyss. And now they want to drag Europe if not the whole world down with them. If the German chancellor shows a little restraint then that little restraint should be welcomed. Precious little sense is left in the current discourse.

    Not directed at you in particular but the infantile world view shown in this thread is shocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Scholz has to prove that he is not compromised or ideological leaning to Putin.


    He certainly isn't concerned about Germany or the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,475 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Ah yes, Ukraine played with fire by not just letting a blood thirsty maniac steal their country and enslave their citizens.

    The Ukrainian government did not drab their country into the abyss. That was Putin and his war machine.

    All other viewpoints are illogical.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.





  • Nefarious whisperings in his ear from Moscow is not a far reach. Needs to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    The most recent poll I could find shows:

    • 55% in favour of Germany sending heavier weapons to Ukraine.
    • 37% against Germany sending heavier weapons to Ukraine.

    As far as I can tell the political support for the government coalition has remained more or less steady; and likewise support for Scholz's party.

    So I think it's probably safe to assume it's not really a massive deal with the German public; or certainly not to the extent that Scholz is likely to care about public opinion to any significant degree.

    Incidentally I don't know why that Bild article is really news; it has been pretty clear Scholz will not allow German heavy weapons to be supplied to Ukraine and feels zero urgency to increase support.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And to think they are considered bad guys by some

    The German actual nazis in WW2 had an overall kill ratio of 2 to 1. For every one of them killed they took two Allied soldiers with them. Much higher in theatres like Russia, figures like 5 to 1 and even higher have been bandied about. They captured over five million Russian troops, murdered many more and in the air it was such a one sided affair that many of the German fighter pilots had PTSD over the sheer bloody slaughter involved. After D Day it took the combined effort of the Western allies and all their might a year to travel just 600 miles, 900 in new money, to Berlin to cut the head off the snake, and they were fighting the Soviets in the east who got there first and Allied attacks from the south in Italy and Greece; out manned, out gunned, surrounded, bombarded day and night.

    Were those murderous bastards in thrall to a twisted regime "absolute legends" too? I seriously doubt you would say so. I know you wouldn't.

    That is NOT to say that the Ukrainian defenders are like the German nazi's, but merely to illustrate just how easy it is to be so bloody simplistic when "our" side is fighting "orcs"? I remain in the opinion that anyone not fighting in Ukraine using the term "orcs" is.. No, best not continue on that tack... All nuance and complexity goes straight out the fúcking window in service to the distraction and cause de jour on keyboards the world over. Like I noted earlier; for years Western media, governments, NGO's and the UN have been concerned about Far Right elements and their influence in Ukraine. Massively over egging it in my opinion, just like putin(though unlike him over the all too usual Western moral panic about such things). And yet within the space of weeks, the same media, governments, NGO's and UN seem to have caught a bad case of mass amnesia and are now talking about relevance and complexities.

    And we wonder how average Russians are so easily convinced and led, when the complexities around this conflict, even the country of Ukraine itself would be hard to pin down for the vast majority on a map over last Christmas dinner a few months ago? The Russians at least have some "excuse". They've been born and live in a censored autocratic state where any deviation from putin's twisted narrative is censured, or worse. What's our excuse to be so simplistic and jingoistic?

    Them versus Us, can be bloody useful and advantageous, but only when we are free to question the whys of Them versus Us. The second we lose that, we become more like Them and that's not good. At all.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,807 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That could all very well be true, but to be honest with you I'm starting to wonder if Putin's OK with a long, protracted war in Ukraine. Such a scenario would create a necessity of sorts to decouple Russia from the West both economically and culturally, and what if this is what Putin has wanted to do for years? How much pain is he willing to go through to achieve that and this new world order he has spoken of with Xi? It's what 1984 talked about - perpetual war as a tool. Using it to sow hatred of the enemy, devotion to the state, deciding what is true and what is false.

    And meanwhile he can just continue to wreck Ukraine. Maybe not take it over, but lob missiles all over the shop, stop economic development, and make it impossible to join the EU or NATO (despite all the pronouncements of partnership and friendship, neither bloc will accept Ukraine while it is literally being invaded by Russia).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I mean when you start talking about "far right problems" they have to be put into context and assessed with a little perspective. Some Azov members have espoused neo-Nazi views, some have brandished Nazi symbology, etc. This is also happening in Western armies and NATO members; so it's hardly some sort of unique phenomenon.

    In a democratic Ukraine with ambitions to join NATO and the EU it was naturally one of the perceived barriers to that process. Particularly in light of other far right movements across the West and concerns about same.

    In the context of a Ukraine defending itself from a military invasion by an arguable bona fide fascist state I think displaying some neo-Nazi symbology or showing some extremely nationalist tendencies is pretty far down the totem pole of "things to be concerned about in Ukraine".



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