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The annual Teachers threaten to strike thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Remember the time they demanded, yes DEMANDED that they be vaccinated first in front of the plebs? The 25-year-old teacher is more important than the 55-year-old shop worker. It was a thundering disgrace. Now, less than a year out from that little bit of history they want more money.

    Irish Teachers are actually snobs in their hearts, they think they are gods gift to Ireland as if without them, the nation would fall apart. God forbid they let some foreign nationals into the profession. Its very much a closed shop, especially in primary. The most white Irish profession that exists in Ireland by far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    On the pay deal, in some ways I agree with the Union here, pay should be linked to CPI, but it should always be the case.

    If CPI is 5%, then pay should follow.

    If CPI is 0%, the you get no pay rise.


    Teachers, especially during the Celtic Tiger and when infamous Benchmarking was happening, had massive pay increases, well beyond CPI.

    As usual, they want it both ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭briangriffin


    I think it's human nature, the grass is always greener until the reality sets in.

    You'd be hard pressed in 2022 to find a teacher working just class hours there is far to much extra curricular and prep work for the following day mind you I'm sure there are some that do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭briangriffin


    Mark tells us how you really feel will you?

    You are some whinger god bless you and the people who have to listen to you.

    Do you not think teachers should have been prioritised for vaccination after the sick and elderly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭fliball123


    When they were teaching remotely and literally dialing it in??? eh no why should they have been prioritized over people working in places like super markets?



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  • Posts: 700 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The cost of living has gone up for everybody but at least they have the income to pay for it.

    Why do they feel that they should be treated differently to others?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭green123





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Its how they have always operated. The government should do away with the supposedly temporary tax that was the USC and give every worker some more breathing space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    The court of public opinion about teachers was never as bad and its reflected in attitudes of parents we all deal with nowadays there has been a huge shift - and not a good one for teachers or pupils.

    For good reason, teachers and more especially their representative unions have been of the attitude that they are totally deserving of every pay-rise, every day off, etc... without having to justify it. The carry-on over Covid19 was the final undoing in the last few threads of respect left for teachers.

    Have we seen teaching standards improve over the years in Ireland? There doesn't seem to be much to say it has. If anything - looking at the levels kids are at compared to older generations I feel things have regressed.

    There is an old carry-over notion in Ireland that teachers, solicitors and gardai are "above" every one else. There is often a condescending "because I'm worth it and I know better than you" attitude when it comes to pay, hours and actual performance and accountability in these jobs. That doesn't wash anymore with the Irish public. It's time these professions got some PR training and learn to know their place - because it's not 1970 any more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭green123


    We should all care.

    This is public money we are talking about. There are better ways to use that money.

    And giving it in salaries to people who are already very well paid with great pensions and holidays is not the best way to spend our public money.


    I have already suggested in this thread that whatever money is available should be spent on employing more teachers.

    That would give much better value for money for society



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    Also, why did teachers take an extra day off on March 21st this year? Something to do with a reward for working through Covid holiday I heard bandied about when I enquired. The arrogance of it all.



  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Teachers are really, really unpopular in Ireland, hugely unpopular. It's really not the same in other countries, but in Ireland every Easter, year after year, their representatives spend a week complaining about conditions which are far ahead of what most people have in their jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭History Queen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭History Queen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Well, I think there is some truth to what he is saying here. I am not looking to drag the performance of teachers and their unions during covid up, but suffice to say, it wasn't great.

    With respect to the various traditional "good" jobs, like teaching, garda, public servant etc, they have seen their relative status decline as the country modernised. If we go back 40 years or so, they would have been regarded as great jobs. Now, they are still good, but there are plenty of better jobs out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    No you didn't let's be honest. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭fawlty682


    i would support an increase in Primary teachers pay provided they agree to modernize their hours and holidays. Schools have the same holidays and hours for decades while the working world of parents has changed. Schools should open earlier and holidays amended.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    Ah ok, so you're one of these parents who want to use schools as a child minding service. Otherwise what does the "working world of parents" have to do with the days your child is in school ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,550 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Teachers spend all their spare time in work, of which there is loads, in the canteen moaning to each other about how bad they have it.

    It's a echo-chamber, completely divorced form the outside world.

    It's why you continually see such tone-deaf demands, such as during Covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I think that I partly have a dim view toward the profession because my secondary school experience was so rubbish. I think I was at least 70% self taught, just covered material on my own. This is due to the ridiculous teacher student ratio. I remember classrooms of 30:1. Now they seem to be working toward 24:1. I live in the us now, hardly known for their level of general education but the schools I look at have a ratio of 11:1. That surely has to make a huge difference. I honestly feel like I was kept in a detention centre for 5 years and had to self study to escape to university, I think some of the anti teacher sentiment might stem from there. Most of us had a terrible education until we escaped the clutches of the second level system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    Careful now, your oblivious to the condescending nature of your reply and cannot fathom why there is regular blow-back to the nature of this attitude from teachers. Teachers are not special white knights single-handedly keeping the nation going. Alot of them have notions well above their station - the worst offenders are in the unions. It's not 1970 anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Remember its the working parent who pay for things like your wages. The day of the little woman staying at home and looking after the kids are long gone both members of a relationship have to work in order to pay for mortgages and taxes (which pay for wages for teachers) and our public sector holiday entitlements need to be adjusted to how things are in 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Do you not think teachers should have been prioritised for vaccination after the sick and elderly?

    No, why should they be?



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kids in Finland don't start school until they are 7.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭fliball123


    And they also offer free or very heavily subsidised creche services for parents as well. Try again please?


    https://jacobinmag.com/2021/10/finland-public-universal-childcare-day-care-early-education



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I know exactly what they do and have. So?

    Do you think school is a child minding service?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yeap, good point. Yet Irish primary teachers look up their noses at child care educators here in Ireland as if they were not fellow educators deserving of respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    Ah, I must clarify - the Bank Holiday that was given on March 18th as a reward for everyone working through Covid was taken by many teachers on Monday 21st March because they already decided that they were taking March 18th off prior to that date being announced as a Bank Holiday. Again, the arrogance though of it - dropping a day off into the calendar with little notice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Pupil-teacher ratio, secondary in Finland was reported at 13.58 in 2017.

    Perhaps the problem is not enough teachers!



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  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Child care educators? Kids in Finland don't learn anything until they start school.



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