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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    To be fair Wibbs, I think zelensky asking for weapons instead of mentioning refugees, is because one is an after effect of the other. If they had been given the weapons they need, there might not be as many refugees.

    It be like thanking a crowd of people for calling an ambulance, after they all stood by and watched while you got the **** beaten out of you by some scumbag.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    Ody, a great post. I am sure that it is ok with you if the Russians can use it to make their case to UP THE ANTE



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The countries around Russia are afraid of being invaded by Russia... I wonder why 🤔... THEY want to join NATO. Why stop them?

    Why do you think they want to join NATO? Why can't they be happy to be governed by a selfish dictator that's happy to use them as cannon fodder. Strange, isn't it!?

    In your defence there is a lot of BS propaganda... see the sky link...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    Is it not to stop RU from doing what it is currently at -ie invading a soverign country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny



    This guy knows his stuff I've been watching his videos since the start of the war. Ex military specialist in logistics



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly


    you're missing a key word.... Yet.

    The ruble is being artificially inflated which makes it look good short term... (it's actually a form of insider trading before an economy goes to ****....let it hit really low, and buy.... then hyper inflate and sell at that price = free money, and making the best of a bad situation)....

    They've not already defaulted on international loans, which makes their trust rating sink into the toilet for the craic....



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Before this conflict that ineptness hadn't been tested. It's pretty clear now that they are not close to the fighting force that was assumed. Or even egged on by US military contractors as they had done in the Cold War with the missile gap which was huge, but military contracts are lucrative.

    The countries around them who had been once part of the Soviet Union were the ones looking to NATO. The British empire outside of nations like Ireland who wanted feck all to do with them politically were at least able to cobble together some sort of commonwealth after their empire fell. The Russians tried but weren't. Their ex colonies wanted nothing to do with Mother Russia as they knew them only too well. The few that seemed to like Ukraine and Belarus only did so because of putin puppets in charge. Chechnya wanted them gone and putin had to flatten the country and stick another puppet in charge to bring them back to the fold. Ukraine is a good example of one who thought eff this, got shot of putin's puppet and looked westward. And look how putin has reacted, just like he did in Chechnya and Georgia, but this time it blew back in his face.

    His talk of "nazis" in Ukraine further illustrates his nonsense. Yes there are indeed hard right nationalists in Ukraine(that otherwise Right On people will praise Azov makes me laugh TBH). Their mainstream parties are hardly the twitter friendly FG we get here either and before this war they were still considered the second most corrupt nation in Europe.

    However and it's a big however; ten, fifteen, twenty years ago Ukraine had far more hard right nationalists and support and they were in power and the country was more corrupt. So why didn't putin invade to remove "nazis" then? Why did he wait until "nazis" couldn't even return a single seat in parliament and corruption is being tackled? I have found this question to shut Russian supporters down on twitter and elsewhere. They have no answer to this, even with their other delusions. Or they know and can't admit it. He didn't invade ten, fifteen, twenty years ago because he had no problems with "nazis", not when they were his "nazis". He certainly has no problem with the Wagner group. They only become "nazis" when he can't control them.

    If tomorrow morning Azov went nuts and pledged allegiance to putin and Mother Russia they'd magically become denazified and all references to nazis in Russian propaganda around them would vanish in minutes and they'd become instant comrades in the fight against other "nazis".

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You'd still be damned grateful for the ambulance. And unless weapons had flooded into Ukraine before this invasion their refugee crisis would have been little affected. For men and women in the trenches knowing their families are safe and sound away from the frontlines is a huge morale boost.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭shillyshilly




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And what about 2023 and further afield... do you think even Germany will be stupid enough to continue to fund its enemy.

    Russia a big country? Even with its oil (Russia can drill holes in the ground thanks to Western help 🤔🙄) and gas, its economy is tiny, about the size of Italy. Its a relative nobody, about to become as irrelevant as North Korea or possibly Narnia.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Russia is getting desperate in my humble. Their propaganda has moved to claiming they're fighting NATO, because little Ukraine giving them a kicking is too unpalatable. If they didn't have nukes and they were actually fighting NATO this war would be a route and would have been over a fortnight after it started with the Russian fleet mostly sunk, their airforce blasted out of the sky or grounded in flattened airfields and their army would have been slaughtered, pushed back to their borders. Minus nukes and if they wanted to, NATO could likely take Russia itself, certainly get them to surrender and sue for peace at a table in the Kremlin looking across at NATO commanders.

    They see no real "out" that saves face for them. The only one is keeping the "independent states" in the east and calling that a "victory". They may hold the Crimea corridor when Mariupol falls, but even there I'm not so sure they can hold it for long. They'd be looking at the Northern Ireland Troubles on steroids for years with Western weapons flooding across that border. Never mind the Russian economy at home picking away at them.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My pet Peeve... water isn't wet!

    Anyway, Zelensky didn't meet Simon, because heads of state meet heads of state. That's diplomacy 101.

    Zelensky concentrating on weapons... keep your message simple. Ukraine is in an existential crisis. Everything else is semantics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    As numerous economists have pointed out, the economic effects of Russian gas being stopped are not that deep..


    Not fun but nothing that won't be over in 6 months.


    It's out of sheer cold calculation and support for Putin that Berlin has not ended it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Something of interest for those put off this thread by the usual tit-for-tat immaturity that's prevailing here of late.

    With a lot of focus on the situation at Mariupol of late, I came across two sites barely 100km over the border into Russia:

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    As you can see, Mariupol into the left and the area in question, Tagonrog, is to the right. ( For those monitoring ADS-B or FR24, keep an eye on this area going forward). As mentioned, it's relatively close to the border:

    Screenshot_20220418-091617_Earth.jpg

    Moving closer, there are two airports in the region. The top one is a base for a Russian AF transport wing, with masses of AN-124 ( the type is a regular visitors to Shannon), and IL-76, which were used to drop paratroopers into Ukraine, albeit somewhat unsuccessfully. The bottom airport is of real interest. Its the main manufacturing and converting plant for Russias only Awacs variant, the Beriev A-50 and A-100, plus they also make the exotic Beriev Amphibious jet.

    Screenshot_20220418-091643_Earth.jpg

    Looking at the Apron of the latter, you can clearly see the Radar discs on the Beriev AWACs aircraft. These are essentially IL-76 aircraft, converted at this site. There are also, most importantly, TU-95 Bear maritime and Bomber aircraft situated here.

    Screenshot_20220418-091725_Earth.jpg Screenshot_20220418-091739_Earth.jpg Screenshot_20220418-091758_Earth.jpg

    Here is a picture of what the type looks like.

    Airborne_early_warning_and_control_aircraft_A-50U_(Red_41).jpg

    What a wonderful target for Ukranian special forces...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    On the assumption that there is not a significant increase in the overall need for energy - via gas , coal and oil- worldwide, would the following not be the case. For example, If the demand for energy from RU to Europe drops by ,say, 50% and is compensated by imports from other countries, RU has to seek importers for what the EU is not taking - imported by India/ China at a much reduced rate. The EU would probably have to pay more for energy imported from other ‘friendly ‘ countries.

    in summary, i

    RU ends up with a drop in income and the EU ends up having to pay more for energy. One thing that I have not factored in re the above is the replacing/ rate of replacing the energy from RU with renewable energy sources and the more efficient use of energy available at the moment eg slower driving, house insulation, etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭Economics101


    If India, China, or whoever, import Russian oil and gas at a hefty discount, and oil/gas prices are at a premium in the West, then there will be arbitrage opportunities which will tend to even things out (e.g. Indian traders selling to Europe). It might not be all that easy to police the exact original source of the oil or gas.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Either way the EU WILL move away from Russian fossil fuels. Bye bye leverage. Russia will sell to a stagnating China... But, make no mistake Russia is China's bitch for the foreseeable. That's some fall from Russia being the centre of that despot world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    In addition to my above post, you can see two BE-200 Amphibious jers parked on the sea-ramp

    Screenshot_20220418-091906_Earth.jpg

    Moving to the airport to the North, it is predominantly an Air Transport wing, with lots of An-124's and Il-76 parked up.

    Screenshot_20220418-093132_Earth.jpg

    Two points of interest here are the many AN-2's still in use. These are biplanes built in 1947 and incredibly are still in regular use..

    Screenshot_20220418-093120_Earth.jpg

    Finally, as with most Russian airbases, you can spot the shadow of an airdefence radar, together with a cluster of launchers, just off the runway.

    Screenshot_20220418-093231_Earth.jpg

    Again, both airports are worth monitoring and would make excellent targets. Watch that space, I suppose..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    It's not that simple. Russia doesn't have the infrastructure to simply switch oil and gas supplies to customers in the east. Interesting article from Forbes on the subject here:

    For oil this is their summary:

    "There’s little room for immediate expansion, given constraints in both pipeline capacity and marine terminals. In fact, sending oil by tanker could prove difficult, as traders and shippers shy away from Russian oil. If anything, Russian oil exports to China might even decline over the next year."

    For gas:

    "Adding everything up, Gazprom could probably supply an additional 28 billion cubic meters of gas to China by 2025—only a fraction of the 155 billion cubic meters Russia supplied to Europe in 2021."

    In short, Russia is at least as dependent on the European market as Europe is on Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Reading the many posts and news articles on the effect of the invasion on energy prices, I can see that some in positions of power are contemplating the economic viability of going to war with Russia. There will come a point where it will be "cheaper" to go full-on against Russia. In some eyes anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    If someone is causing you a problem eg throwing his rubbish over the boundary fence and onto your property you can report him to the relevant authorities to get it stopped. That’s the recommended procedure in some countries. You could try returning the rubbish, have a chat with the dumper, beat the dumper up/ teach him a lesson when he trespasses onto your property, etc, but all these could end up you having taken the law into your own hands.

    SO why is Ukraine doing nothing about missiles, etc, being launched from outside Ukraine. Would the ‘Law of war’ - whatever that is- entitle UK to retaliate and attack their launch pads. Ukraine could officially declare that such pads are as from today ligitimate targets and name them. Such a statement will at least force RU and Belaruse to increase protection and therefor there would be less resources available for the frontline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Youd of thought that with all this reliance on fuels from all these rogue countries that somebody would of come up with an alternative fuel source by now. You think of the advances in technology and medicine the last 50 years and yet we are still being held hostage to OPEC and now Russia. Part of the issue has probably been the usual thing with humanity where we put off dealing or fixing hard things until the future (like pensions).

    Our best hope might be something like the American military , aren’t they always inventing stuff (like mobile device) that ends up mainstream down the line?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Yeah the poor petrodollar will be crushed I'm sure by an economy(Russia) smaller than the state of Texas and about 1/15th the us economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,099 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They don't have the means to do anything about the missiles, otherwise I am sure they would. If Ukraine had of had 1000 cruise missiles at the start, Putin might not have invaded, just as surely as he never would have if they'd still had the nukes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We should send weapons, they want their country back and want the tools to do the job. They do not want to be homeless refugees. Look here:

    The more weapons sent the less Ukrainians raped, murdered........



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