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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    No blindspot here. My eyes are quite open to Johnson thanks very much, and Cameron, who was his buddy, his fellow Etonian wanker in top hat and tails and later on in the Bulingdon club getting blowjobs off pigs heads while ripping up fivers in front of the homeless. Jolly japes, what what Bertie! He inherited his mantle rather than the mess. The training of Ukraine's troops didn't happen under him given he wasn't even PM until 2019. It was your "true filth deserving of all approbium" who was in power with that Ukrainian help. Johnson has vision only if and when it suits him and his and even then. He has a proven record of being a liar as a journalist, PM, husband, backbencher, PM, through Brexit and Covid. It's his default position.

    While our "spineless country", Ireland "the pricks" - in your eyes because we're not automatically keyboard warrioring with guns for the cause - of five million people has already taken in over 25,000 Ukrainian men, women and children with a "cap"(unrealistic) of 200,000(and over 40 million in direct aid) and Johnson's glorious Britannia of seventy million people has taken in just over 4,000 with caveats and long delays and feck all monetary and social support, while happy to milk the tit of dirty Russian money throughout and were the slowest in Europe to clamp down on them. But he sends the Ukrainians anti tank weapons so that washes him of sin? G'way outa that. Zelensky knows the score and knows what he needs from Johnson types and will milk them to get it because he needs to. But I'd be willing to bet his opinion of Johnson would echo mine far more than yours.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    The mess Johnson's in at the moment is almost entirely of his own making. One may approve of his support of Ukraine (and I do), but that doesn't get him off the hook for taking Russian money and running an administration that lurches from mendacious to psychotic to omnishambolic and back again. And let's not forget that his support for Ukraine is mostly about (a) distracting from his woes at home and (b) fulfilling his wannabe Churchill w@nk-fantasy. Granted, none of this will be high on Zelensky's priorities and from his point of view he's quite correct. But let's not lose sight of what Johnson really is.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    But, but, Lister, he's giving them weapons. So all is forgiven and forgotten. I can certainly see how and why Zelensky feigns memory loss, he bloody well needs to and he's playing Johnson and his cronies to do it, but for those not needing to? That memory loss is a lot less explainable. Or should be.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Take Putin’s speeches here literally. He claimed it was a special operation to diminish Ukraine’s military to practically nothing and another aim was to support and protect the people of the Donbas and Lugansk regions. In the east and south Russian war objective is on course to be completed and Ukraine is not a small country got many very large cities in the east and south and Mariupol for good reason only city Russia was willing to completely destroy take it over, as it’s perceived by them to be the main base and home of the Azov battalion. Azov is some of the most battle-hardened warriors ( despite their views) Only over a month ( not a long time when there street to street battles between thousands of men on each side ) the city is close to falling now.

    It does seem the Kyiv operation did not go to plan. Russian military would typically flatten the defensive lines with artillery shells and cruise missiles and rockets and move in then to take out the frightened defenders left behind. What you saw at the beginning of Kyiv operations was columns of Russian light/heavy military vehicles behind it heading down roads/streets in a straight line, when you hit one tank and take it out vehicles behind it come to a stop and you expose yourself to enemy fire.

    Ukraine forces operated guerilla tactics ( hit and run) and some forces attacked behind their defensive barricades, were too dug in to take out by ground forces alone.. Strategically it was not a Soviet way of fighting a war. It is possible Putin in these early days of the war, told his generals, to not destroy the towns and villages on the way to Kyiv and so basically this left his own military exposed on all sides. The force Putin assembled was also too small to take a city that large anyway. Putin may also wanted to keep the large bulk of the Ukraine northern army tied down so they couldn’t head down south to help the army stationed there?

    Still have no clue how degraded the Ukraine military is hardware-wise. Western media blocks talking about such things. They likely have the manpower to continue the fight. But how many helicopters, airplanes, tanks, UAVs, and transport vehicles have they left, sams, s-300 and anti-air left? Russia hitting fuel depots inside Ukraine ( how much oil reserves have they left?) these vehicles need fuel and repairs after all.. Russia's industrial base for war is unharmed, Ukraine sites are constantly hit every day. Very hard to tell what's really happening to the Ukraine war machine..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    like the Bushmaster being made and designed in Ireland, rather than Australia

    Yes; I made a mistake and said as much. I claimed it was built and designed in Ireland; whereas it turns out it was only the drivetrain which was designed and built in Ireland for the prototypes and then subsequently licensed to Australia for full production. There's a whole book about the project if you want to verify.

    the range of a JDAM being less released from a Reaper because the release height would be too low

    I never said "because the release height would be too low".

    I said that the maximum range of a JDAM is determined by how it is launched: that's just pure physics. UAVs have much lower top speeds and less manoeuvrability than your typical bomber. The below is an illustration to give you an idea what I'm referring to:

    tossbomb.png

    Now the upper end of the ranges given in this diagram would be for supersonic and faster bombers: i.e. capable of Mach 1 (1,236 km/h). The top speed of the Reaper is about 482 km/h. My point is that the maximum range of an air launched bomb is a function of the speed and direction of the craft that releases it; and thus the Reaper cannot achieve this hypothetical maximum range.

    the US being unwilling to risk an RQ-180 over the most important and critical conflict since WW2

    Just my opinion; and I gave some reasons as to why I believe it unlikely that they would use it over Ukraine.

    If the US was actively at war with Russia there would be a much higher likelihood they would risk top secret stealth aircraft; right now we're not a that point and the Biden administration has been bending over backwards to try and stop that from happening so I just don't see it.

    If you don't want to have discussions about these topics then nobody is forcing you to; but leave out the snide little remarks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    "He claimed it was a special operation to diminish Ukraine’s military to practically nothing and another aim was to support and protect the people of the Donbas and Lugansk regions."

    Lets not forget the denazification, wonder how that part of the special operation is going?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ukraine is getting tech from the West. Russia cannot repair or make new mobile armaments for lack of material.

    Russia was careful not to bomb the **** out of Kyiv, but didn't not bomb civilian areas either. But then there are towns where they went full barbarian on.

    Russia will continue to lose the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣



    Looks the Russian returned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    Time for Ukrainian sympathisers to strike people involved in the invasion and other sites of importance in Russia so. Russia needs to feel unsafe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    Luckily the Russians wont resort to the shock and awe method of the Americans in carpet bombing cities.


    For a nation so weak and inept at war, its surprising NATO want to surround them with military bases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sky news earlier,

    Russia Anti Nato museum installation , just shows how fecking desperate they are ,




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You stated weeks ago that Mariupol had fallen.

    "In the east and south Russian war objective is on course to be completed"

    Whatever they can grab is their goal.

    Exact information on the state of Ukraine's military is not "blocked by Western media" or whatever conspiracy mumbo-jumbo you've just invented. The Ukrainians don't want to reveal precise info and analysts can make some guesses based on visual losses for both sides.

    "Russia's industrial base for war is unharmed"

    Which is why their tank factory production line has stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No fan of the brexiters here but the UK Govt do deserve credit for sending weapons. Weapons are what will win this war, not moralising bullshit. Ireland won't even send a thousand or two moth eaten anti armour weapons. We are the pricks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    David McWilliams with an interesting look at how German solidarity with Putin may be the lifeline Putin needs.


    Also how it throws Eastern Europe in to a longer period of crisis, faced with a long term threat of a militant Russia to the East and Russian friend Germany at their back.


    Great read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    Why would a neutral country send weapons to a warzone?


    Weapons wont win this war it will only prolong it, with many more thousands of people losing there lives. Jaw jaw is better than war war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If the Russians tried to carpet bomb a place, they would end up with lino.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Tankie rubbish, you don't negotiate with genocidal dictators. Weapons are winning this war. We're on the wrong side of history yet again. Will there be a book of condolences to be signed if putrid keels over, who should we send, meehole? the merchant prince? cabbage head?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Moskva.jpg

    Rear helicopter pad and radar dome look identical



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Read it earlier, it's a bizarre opinion that putrids gamble has paid off? russians can no longer produce tanks or anti aircraft weapons due to sanction. They've lost the flagship of their Black Sea fleet to a country with practically no navy. They couldn't take Kyiv. The list of failure is endless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭thomil


    Not sure if this has been shared here before, but a picture is making the rounds on Twitter showing Moskva on fire and listing after the missile hit. Looks genuine to me:

    It's hard to tell on this image, given the smoke, but it looks as if the port P-500/P-1000 SSM launchers are mostly intact. The charred black area where the smoke is thickest would be my guess for one of the impact areas. It would also, ironically, be the location of two of the AK-630 point defense systems that act as the last line of defence against just this kind of missile attack. There's what seems to be an impact hole below the funnel as well, though that is hard to tell due to the list to port.

    The fact that smoke seems to be rising from the funnels as well could indicate an ongoing fire in the engineering spaces, which is always bad news. As much as I despise Russia and its military for its despicable actions, I get a knot in my stomach when I look at this. I grew up around ships, so I know how harrowing even smoke can be in the confined spaces belowdecks, much less full-blown fires, together with power failures and so on.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Ukrainians discovering Russian explosives are fake and applauding the corruption.

    "Second Army" and sticks instead of TNT checkers.


    God, keep corruption 😂"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭Labaik


    Lol the Wests foreign policy the past century has not only to negotiate with genocidal dictators, but to aid and abet them.


    Its good to see you want to prolong the war and death of innocent civilians that will be caught up in this conflict.


    So again why should Ireland send weapons when we are a neutral country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I posted it on the previous page including a photo of the ships rear pre invasion,

    Helicopter pad and radar dome are the same,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Not really sure what the outcome will be but there is a lot to be said for inflicting maximum damage even in a losing fight. It makes them think twice the next time they think about attacking you. Defending yourself is never waste of time. This is true of a fist fight and a war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    That looks like it alright. You can see all the life rafts seem to be missing which also indicates plenty of crew managed to escape:

    Screenshot 2022-04-17 233432.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Jog on, you were able to read it the first time.



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