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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,549 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Quite apt.

    Mariupol — the “City of Mary”

    Maybe a joint son / mother effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Yep, the Nuclear scenario is a case of not being able to be a little-bit-pregnant. It changes everything, forever. Therfore, any current powerful "friends" of Russia would absolutely not support it, or have anything to gain.

    Although the prospect is terrifying, I believe thankfully it's unlikely to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    First he uses a version of the Russian propaganda line ("the US will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian") and then his solution is to appease Putin's wishes in the name of "reality". This war has really exposed some people's world views for what they really are.






  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,808 ✭✭✭✭josip


    They don't need to take back Crimea, all they need to take is Nova Kakhovka where the Crimea Canal joins the Dnieper. That will curtail any development of the peninsula. I don't understand why the Kherson Bridge design didn't include a big f off water pipe from the Krasnodar side. The Russians do know how to pipe stuff in fairness to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭threeball


    Noam loves bleating away about had bad the Americans are and how the Russians have a point all from the security of his cushy job in Arizona. Maybe he should fcuk off the Russia or China and see if they'll publish his long winded muck.



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  • I saw this video couple days ago but explains how things could play out in the second phase of the war




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,822 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Russians have flattened cities, raped and killed thousands, and they're the ones getting the hump because some piece of floating metal sank. What a shower of self obsessed pricks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It is possible to agree with a person on some things and deeply disagree with them on others. Chomsky taking this stance shouldn't necessarily invalidate every single thing he's ever said in the eyes of anyone in particular. I think you have to assess each thing individually.

    Anyway, Crimea being off the table is realistically true and maybe something could be worked out with the Donbas. The thing that Chomsky seems to be missing or downplaying is that Russia isn't for listening at the moment, and if you offered a deal in the Donbas, Russia (or Putin, more specifically) would take it as a sign that more can be taken; that Ukraine is weak and getting weaker. It's also ignoring that weaker sides in a conflict can get to a favourable negotiated peace after a period of protracted conflict, for such reasons as the conflict becoming politically and financially damaging to the larger side. We saw this with the USA in Vietnam and we saw it with the USSR in Afghanistan, for example. In both cases, the invaders had enough raw firepower to leave each country as a lifeless desert if they so chose to deploy it, but they did not deploy it, probably because doing so comes with a lot of potential global ramifications. And referring to the hurricane analogy, the Ukrainians built shelters, got supplied and are weathering the storm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    *The US military spending can be similarly WTF. The old joke about the 15 dollar switch that became a 100 dollar switch in an F-16, though far more people get a slice of the pie and at least the switch will be US made. Which kinda sums up America. Or did. Nowadays the switch might be Chinese...

    The price gouging by military contractors to the US military is even worse than charging $100 for a $15 switch. Have a look a the below video, it shows AOC in a Senate committee grilling a CEO from a military contractor who was selling the military clutch discs for $1,443 each. She established that the clutch disc was just 3 inches in size and each one cost them $32 to manufacture. The contract was for 149 of these 3 inch clutch discs so the total amount paid by the US taxpayer was $215,007 while the cost price to manufacture them was just $4,768, representing a gross profit of 4,436% for the military contractor.

    In other words there is more profit in supplying the US military with parts and equipment than there is in drilling for oil and thats known as black gold for a good reason. Al the military contractors within in the military industrial complex know that the annual US military budget is $700bn a year and as private companies its their task to get that $700bn into their shareholders pockets with as much profit as possible. When you see the vast profits that are on offer the idea that the US & UK will only send weapons to prolong the war rather than finish it decisively is less about conspiracy theory and more about an economic reality.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    I don't think Ukraine getting Crimea back is realistic at all, and ide say the Ukrainian side well know this, but as pointed out above they are not going to admit that point yet.

    Their is a long way to go on peace negotiations and Russia will need to be given a far more bloody nose than has been inflicted on them so far to bring any serious negotiations out of them.

    IMO The main crux is going to be the Donbass region and I think its going to be a mess what ever gets agreed, if agreement does happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    'Agreement' won't really solve anything. Most analysts think we are into a major new Cold War and standoff with the regime and it remaining a pariah state with all sanctions still in place. The only way this ends is with Putin's death or removal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Used to be a fan and have read his books, but tired of defending him over the years, ultimately he's a far-left broken clock stuck in 2003 far from reality, just an articulate one. Reading an interview from 2 days ago, it's obvious he trusts the Putin administration more than the Ukrainian one. He's just a calmer version of George Galloway.





  • Depends, alot of that might be tough talk to deter Putin from continuing with the war. I imagine if the war ends soon a bunch of those sanctions would be dropped because their hurting both sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Why would we assume that 'Putin's death or removal' suddenly fixes everything? The most likely successor would also come from inside the power vertical and be of a similar mindset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I can't see the sanctions being lifted. It has nearly been forgotten that sanctions were still in place over Crimea when he invaded Ukraine (nobody recognises Crimea or the so called Donetsk People's Republic as being part of Russia) and now he has ratcheted things up a hundred fold from where we were in February.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Because everyone around Putin is a yes man for expediency. If they took over they MAY be less psychopathic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm reading some interesting discussions of hundreds of Russian officers and soldiers in Ukraine simply resigning their posts and asking to be returned home - and there is not a damned thing the authorities can do about it. The country claims not to be at war, there is no martial law back in Russia or any type of emergency legislation in place. Therefore the men can resign quite legally and there is nothing the army can do about it.





  • Russia has been trying to disarm Ukraine for the last 30 years so that they could easily invade it






  • Except to declare war, they will probably have alot of false flag operations leading up to that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Having failed to find any mention of these, could you please provide a link.

    The only drones that I have seen any confirmation of listed for the next shipment batch are the Switchblades, which had Ukraians being trained to use in the US. The predator and Reaper drones would require training, again probably in the US, as there's a bit more to them than a DJI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08



    Some booby traps found in Ukraine.

    Also pictured in the thread is this one which people are questioning it's viability.

    A grenade in a glass in a press. (cabinet)

    There is also A reply in thread says

    "When I did my military service, we were still trained in setting up such booby traps (and, of course in finding and disarming them).

    Today, the German #Bundeswehr doesn't do that any more. It is prohibited by the Ottawa Treaty of 1997" .

    So silly question does that mean they don't train to disarm now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    People possibly thought Stalin would be a more moderate figure than Lenin in 1924...

    If you have another FSB\SVR type taking over, I wouldn't expect much change. Remember it's not as though there's a real political spectrum in Russia with putative replacement leaders that offer a discernible alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Probably not what you are looking for but the best source I have found is the Ukraine armed forces own telegram channel. Lots of detail on far more things than are picked up by normal media, such as the large problem they are having with criminal gangs, secret infiltration groups and local officials like mayors, who are all being used to try and find and organise traitors to stab Ukraine in the back and sabotage from within. There's a disturbing amount of that going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That probably explains all the false flag attacks on Belgorod with no Ukrainian helicopters shot down at all - something that Uk youtube historian Felton fell for, hook, line and sinker. These false flag terrorist incursions are probably so a war or emergency situation can be declared to glue the bag shut.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,744 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    🙄

    Actual infrastructure Russia is relying on being damaged does not suggest it is a false flag. If they wanted to do that they'd bomb an apartment block.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I would hope the sanctions remain in place until all the abducted Ukrainian children and adults are returned and reparations have been sorted, like 40% of the oil and gas revenues until every single building and bridge has been rebuilt; both of which might take years to get agreement on, given Russia's obduracy and fondness for lying and stupid games.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I wouldn't agree with that at all. If the Ukrainians are forced to keep fighting Russia, they will bleed their military to ruin and taking back all former territories would be a piece of cake compared to what has gone before and their national rage and hatred of Russia would ensure it. The only way for Russia to retain those is to capitulate under the guise of 'peace talks' and have holding onto them a condition - which has to happen right now. If they wait until after the looming great battle in the east has mostly played out, it will be too late. I don't see Putin being smart enough to see that. He's sick and anything but sharp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    The only drones or unmanned vehicles being supplied by the US are:

    • AeroVironment Switchblade 300 and 600 loitering munitions.
    • AeroVironment Puma reconnaissance drones.
    • Some sort of "unmanned surface vessel for coastal defence".

    It's also likely the UK have sent some Switchblades too.

    There was a meeting between General Atomics and Ukraine which discussed the potential for supplying drones; but given the modern cost of these drones I would be surprised if Ukraine wanted Reapers in particular. Predator drones potentially.

    Even more surprising would be if the US approved such a transfer to Ukraine for the same reasons they've used all along: Ukraine aren't trained to use them, Ukraine don't really need them, logistics would be too complicated, Russia wouldn't be very happy, etc.

    And probably the biggest issue with Predator and/or Reaper drones is that they can be controlled from the US directly by US pilots; how does anyone convince Russia that they're not being flown by US pilots if they're involved over Ukraine? I don't see Biden going down this path.

    The British anti-ship missile thing also isn't credible: they haven't had land launched anti-ship missiles capable of hitting a large ship at those kind of distances for quite some time according to people with ties to the British Forces.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Regarding one of the intercepted phone calls that some couldn't believe were real, one investigation discovered and confirmed the identities of the two people in one particular phone call




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