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odyssey06 · 15-04-2022 07:39AM

The Russians have 2 other ships of the same class as the Moskva in service? So there could be a replacement on its way or will Turkey prevent that?

I think I read something they were closing the Straits to new vessels.

Crocodile Booze · 15-04-2022 07:41AM

It's safe to say at this stage, that the mighty Russian military and it's special(needs) operation are an embarrassment on the world stage.

State of them.

robinph · 15-04-2022 07:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929655#Comment_118929655

One is the flagship of the Pacific Fleet so unless they have already abandoned the Pacific its got a looong way to go to make it to the Black Sea.

15-04-2022 07:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929655#Comment_118929655

I think Turkey are closing to new Russian military shipping on the basis that they cannot assure enough resources to provide sufficient rescue support.

🤣

15-04-2022 07:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929659#Comment_118929659

Rumours abound that Putin hasn't got his invite to the annual axis of evil convention and that China and North Korea are interviewing Putin's successor. Early betting is favouring Venezuela over Iran.

Wibbs · 15-04-2022 08:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929538#Comment_118929538

Yeah, no. Too easy an answer. To turn off the power from the nuclear power station under their control would be simply a case of an order from on high; "turn off the power". Hardly rocket surgery.

Amprodude · 15-04-2022 08:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118926636#Comment_118926636

This is one of the most bizarre posts I have ever read on boards.

brickster69 · 15-04-2022 08:13AM

Sounds like Ukraine's last remaining operating oil refinery at Ivano Frankivsk was hit in a missile attack last night

https://twitter.com/dod244/status/1514782987040137218

JoChervil · 15-04-2022 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929348#Comment_118929348

My mum had heart disease. So whenever my sister was to tell her a very sad news, she always started with "X was taken to hospital", even when they were already dead. She believed that it would be a smaller shock to my mum.

So US might have been simply careful with confirming the Moskva sinking. Don't forget that we have also an unpredictable person on a receiving hand of this massage. And this message was huge. I think they simply didn't want a knee-jerk reaction from Putin, so they waited to be sure that Putin knows from his sources first.

Also people often"shoot the messenger" of the bad news. So I think by delaying publishing it and not confirming, who did it, they were protecting themselves and Ukraine, and the world in general.

15-04-2022 08:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929750#Comment_118929750

First thoughts. Took Russia long enough, but I suppose they'd lots of civilian targets to get through first.

Pretty sure Ukraine will get plenty of oil from its western neighbours.

EltonJohn69 · 15-04-2022 08:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929384#Comment_118929384

How about that stupid fuckk in the cardigan go fight in Ukraine and see how long he lasts. Your flagship got sunk, shouldn’t have been there in the first place, get over yourself.

15-04-2022 08:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929775#Comment_118929775

Those videos are very informative. You can clearly see, even on state media, the Kremlin cannot maintain the narrative. The camera always pans to someone embarrassed by whoever is ranting. Even the ranter gives it away by saying, 'I didn't want to talk about the warship'... because it's a national embarrassment. Even on air they laughed at the in-joke about the special military operation. It's subtext like this that will get picked up by the people.

TL/DR Even in state controlled media it's very hard to keep to the script.

road_high · 15-04-2022 08:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929682#Comment_118929682

Closing off entry to the Black Sea is it? That’s the excuse the Turks came up with. Lol

sjb25 · 15-04-2022 08:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929475#Comment_118929475

They are very good the one on britain is an eye opener tell you that

JoChervil · 15-04-2022 08:29AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foPUxMvXbhk

15-04-2022 08:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929792#Comment_118929792

Yes, but only my joke.

Although, not sure humour translates so well here - hence a certain post/thanks a few posts above.

And before anyone says there's no room for humour in a war situation I'd refer them to the Ukrainian videos extracting the utter piss out of Russia. It's good to poke fun at the circus bear.

wassie · 15-04-2022 08:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929384#Comment_118929384

1995 called and said it wants its hairdo back...

sjb25 · 15-04-2022 08:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929800#Comment_118929800

If only id a few bob i would

Gregor Samsa · 15-04-2022 08:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929811#Comment_118929811

1995 is way in the future for quite a number of Russians.

greenpilot · 15-04-2022 08:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929795#Comment_118929795

Absolutely. I was shocked. Just 16 well targeted cruise missles, conventional, not nuclear, would render the UK Military useless and would cause widespread social, civilian and logistical damage that would take years to rebuild.

Wibbs · 15-04-2022 08:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929775#Comment_118929775

"This means war!!" and in the same breath "What's the special military operation then?". "Our flagship sank because of an internal fire" and in the same breath "Ukraine must suffer because they sank her!".

They're really wrapping themselves in knots, knots of their own making. That's what you get when you treat anything approaching truth as propaganda and mix in a fear of not following the Official Line, which wanders all over the place. You end up with a language that makes no sense.

Confusion like that is not good when you have the real threat of escalation and mouthpieces talking about WW3. Now I'm still at the stage of thinking that's all they are, simplistic mouthpieces shouting slogans for the hard of thinking on "their side", not too far removed from those shouting "orcs" and "slava Ukraine!" on our side when many of them would have been hard pressed to point to Ukraine on a map this Christmas. The hope is those at the top are not thinking like the mob, though they do have to be aware of them.

So far, it doesn't look like they are thinking like them. The mob were screaming for NATO no fly zone over Ukraine, those at the top didn't listen to them and for very good reasons. I suspect the same will be in play in Russia. Putin might go rogue, but I doubt his commanders will. We live in hope.

Wibbs · 15-04-2022 08:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929792#Comment_118929792

The Turks give few fúcks and have given the finger to putin before and don't automatically follow the US either.

josip · 15-04-2022 08:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118928744#Comment_118928744

Militarily, what would be the impact if it was providing an air defence umbrella?

Does it mean it's more risky for Russian aircraft/drones in the area?

Or will Ukraine be able to fly in the area? What area are we likely talking about? Kherson and surrounds or as far east as Mariupol? Would the Russians have land-based coverage on their side once you get to the Donbas region?

Will Russia now have to concede the airspace to the West of Crimea? There isn't a direct replacement for Moskva

Drumpot · 15-04-2022 09:00AM

Is there any real hope that Putin fails? And when I say fails, he doesn’t get whatever victory he can spin in May, he doesn’t use more damaging weapons and he is retired?

Has he already failed? I see russia threaten Sweden and Finland again, but if they join NATO , whatever gains they got in Ukraine will be somewhat countered by other losses.

At this stage, regardless of what Putin spins, surely his allies outside of Russia must be less then impressed. He looks more like a damaging useful idiot with nukes for disrupting the west , then an actual proper super power ally. Makes me think of the “in war, the pawns go first” analogy.

In some ways, is the Ukraine war only part of the plan. I think of the rise of “strongmen” and far right leaders in western countries, which may end up doing more damage to divide western countries. Hopefully Putins war has actually done damage to this moronic idealistic sentiment.

zv2 · 15-04-2022 09:05AM

Wibbs: "This means war!!" and in the same breath "What's the special military operation then?". "Our flagship sank because of an internal fire" and in the same breath "Ukraine must suffer because they sank her!".

I keep getting the impression that because the Russian government has got used to treating its citizens like children they take it for granted they can do the same with the west. They seem to forget we have George Orwell.

Drumpot · 15-04-2022 09:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929924#Comment_118929924

15-04-2022 09:17AM

If US and other Western Countries confirm that the weapons they supplied sunk that ship then they should give Ukraine as many more of these missles as they want as ships are mobile. Now that it is resting at the bottom of the Sea it can't cause mischief elsewhere later.

Ukraine is the best Artillery firing test ground in the world at the moment.

Warfare with high tech hardware is really proving itself and Western leaders aren't having to deal with corpses of soldiers being shipped home.

sjb25 · 15-04-2022 09:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929892#Comment_118929892

Yeah everybody who says ireland will be fine the raf or royal navy will help us should watch it

15-04-2022 09:18AM

Found this interesting video, a detailed look at the ambush at Brovary (where the tank commander was killed and the column shelled). It's in german but the closed captions are accurate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNeXbNY3HYQ

zv2 · 15-04-2022 09:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118929982#Comment_118929982

Apparently 45,000 Orcs are dead or injured at this point. Troop losses will have a big effect on how this war goes.

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