Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Some top notch outmanoeuvring (as one poster likes to put it) by the Russians again. Running rings around a non existent Ukrainian navy.

There's alot of OPS int and military commentators accounts on Twitter speculating that the ship had 64 S300 on it which meant it offered protection to west crimea and therefore kherson. This loss represents huge capabilities for Ukraine to push on from Kherson cutting off or taking parts of Crimean peninsula

When you think about it. Goes to show how excellent the Ukrainian forces have been. The afghans were given all sorts of fancy weapons and decades of training within conflict so very battle hardened and they fell apart in 48 hours.

Ukraine is here 50 days in and just destroyed the flagship of the Russian navy bearing moscows name.

Yet more Western propaganda.

The Moskva was not sunk. It is simply taking part in a Special Underwater Operation.

I sincerely hope you are right. Quite a few analysts are giving the Russians an advantage in the East. That encirclement threat is very real.

it's as simple as a motivated force vs unmotivated force

Afghani's weren't motivated in large numbers... felt sorry for the SOF, they seemed to have a very good rep and were hung out to dry

Eventually (depending on the level of pollution it causes) the Moskva will probably be taken over by sea life and will become a man-made reef with flourishing ecosystem. The Americans have been known sink old ships in specific locations to achieve precisely this effect. Ultimately the Moskva may do a lot more good sunk than it ever did floating.

Depending on the water depth, charts may need to be updated to mark its position so that ships and particularly trawlers and fishing boats can avoid it. This should probably be provided by the Ukrainians, who likely had a firmer fix on the ship's position than the Russians did themselves. 😀

Oh, they have an advantage in the east for sure. The big question is whether this advantage will be big enough to overcome the significant endemic problems within the Russian armed forces, namely the lack of tactical flexibility, especially on smaller scales, low morale, lack of apparent combined arms operations on a large scale, the logistics issues brought on by rampant corruption, and so on.

Russia has tried to address some of these shortcomings with the appointment of an overall commander for operations in Ukraine. Why they didn't do so from the start is beyond me. However, whilst said general was able to organize a very effective terror bombing campaign in Syria, it remains to be seen whether he has the necessary skills to organize the large scale combined arms operations that the battle of Donbas will likely require, especially given that the Battalion Tactical Group concept is turning out to be less effective than expected in Ukraine from what I'm seeing.

Granted, Ukraine very much has an uphill struggle ahead of itself, but they do have a very real chance of winning in the Donbas and they can afford a few slip-ups or tactical retreats. Russia will need to get it right every single time.

Don't get me wrong. I know the invasion has been a disaster based on its original aims. But they will get the eastern part of the country and in the end probably tens if not hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians will be dead and millions displaced. It's an immense loss and tragedy for Ukraine too, but some posters on here just want to post silly gifs as if the war is one big laugh at seeing the Russians getting hammered.