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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I think the whole idea of forcing tens of thousands of people to become will be a big hurdle to overcome when so many landlords are selling up and getting out of the Business all together,I said this would happen some minister jumps on the bandwagon and suggests we can easily take in 100,000 refugees from Ukraine in a few weeks ,

    Yet we have a massive housing shortage and over 100,000 families waiting 11 + years for social housing ,but no thought has gone into this at all, which isn't fair on the Ukrainians or those already in desperate need for housing here ,we can fill all the hotels and Airbnbs but what will happen to our tourism industry when people can't book a room or Airbnb ,

    It's probably a whole different thread



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some fúcking cheek they have.

    They've caused billions of damage in Ukraine, much deliberate killing of civilians and they complain about a bit of railway.

    Slava Ukraini!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    65K holiday homes could likely accommodate 385,000 refugeees. I get that you personally, and a whole bunch of people on the appropriate thread, actively don't want answers or solutions. You all are entitled to your opinions. I'ts a bit OT so I'll leave it for the other thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It does, it's the only real globally significant military force on the continent.


    Macron is keeping it in storage and their equipment in storage. So it is of no concern to Putin or Ukraine.




    Lot of people big up Putin and Russia as decisive influences in every thing nowadays.


    He cultivated actual heads of State in Europe, people like Le Pen etc were also rans.


    A Life time of Le Pen wasn't worth a week of Sarkozy, Merkel, etc.


    He went for those that were in position to deliver for Russia.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Actually I spend little or no time at all. I could pass good muster as a secretary typist or an olde stylee newspaper man.

    Me. Earlier.

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    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭corkie


    This is an intriguing development for a number of reasons. Unlike Eastern European countries such as Poland and Romania that have enthusiastically supported US missile-defence deployments in Europe, Western European countries have traditionally been sceptical of and even hostile towards the idea of fielding missile defences. That’s largely because it entails a military commitment from Washington.

    .....

    Germany would need both Israel and the US to agree to the sale of the Arrow 3 since it’s jointly produced by them. Germany’s announcement of its interest in purchasing the system may further heighten Russian paranoia on this issue. There is an irony at work here: Putin’s Russia has long claimed that US and NATO missile-defence deployments in Europe are a Western plot aimed at weakening Russia. Moscow’s actions in Ukraine may yet ensure that this will now become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Putin has opened a can off worms, if it leads to Europe increasing it's missile-defences?

    Post edited by corkie on

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    "Defense Minister: France will send additional military aid to Ukraine"




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The Turks seem to have struck a real balance between NATO and Russia. Since WW1 they've been able to stirke a balance in most conflicts that followed. Turkey has called Russia's bluff a few times down the years and Russia took it. They've got a pretty decent military force and have nukes on their soil too. Turkey seems to be the bloke in the corner with others raising their voices and him sitting quietly, giving few fecks.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You will get no sensible, truthful or logical answer to where that stuff is coming from because the answer is "us". I'm sure you'll notice a large overlap from people who also claim that the state bidding against people doesn't drive up prices, that pre-covid large scale immigration wasn't having an effect on house prices or availability etc. Liars basically. It really does come back around to "Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a racist". Jaysus, replace "racist" with "Nazi" and they're almost Russian. :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Didn't Macron publicly call NATO brain dead recently and also France withdrew from NATO in 1966 until 2009 and asked for all NATO troops to be removed from France. Difficult to describe them as a cornerstone of NATO to be fair

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • **** what Russia thinks about anything at this stage. Parasites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    Now there's a photo to warm Vlad's cold, black, lifeless, decaying heart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And at the same time they wanted their generals in senior nato command roles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    People desperate to pretend that theres any degree of difference between Macron and LePen on Russia when Frances coziness with Russia goes all the way back to DeGaulle. It wasnt Maccers who pulled France back into NATOs command sphere, it was Chirac. France was outside of the NATO integrated command for most of the post war period. France has made clear they are going to sit on the fence beside Germany while Russia goes at it. Interestingly the countries with the largest proportion of Russias foreign reserve? China is top with France just behind it and then Germany 🤔



    LePen will change none of that. What actually gets people agitated about LePen is that she is deeply sceptical about the EU and you can't have that. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    Curious. My instinct is to believe Ukraine, given Germany's recent duplicitous inactions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    France never withdrew from NATO, rather it withdrew from NATOs military command structure, it remained a NATO member between 1969 and 2009.

    No country has yet left NATO, Greece did the same as France between 1974 and 1980.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭corkie


    The presidents of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia — all NATO countries that worry they may face Russian attack in the future if Ukraine falls — traveled by train to Kyiv to meet Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    And the two major continental powers acting exactly as they always have when push came to shove, looking after their own interests regardless.

    that PR bubble that the EU will be some sort of Brotherhood of Europe is well and truly burst, even for those who ignored the 2010 crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes you have a country literally fighting for their lives for a future in the European Union.

    There could be absolutely no clearer validation of the benefits of EU membership that millions of Ukrainians are putting their lives on the line for such a future.

    The cognitive dissonance for brexiteer types must be horrendous at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Correct. De Gaulle was snippy that the UK had a monopoly on the individual who was Deputy Supreme Allied Commander. So he withdrew from the unified command and had France under sovereign command but within NATO in all other respects.

    It was basically France pretending it was a peer power of the US in the alliance and everyone just went along with it.

    Very French, and quite popular within a country coming to terms with it's empire disintegrating and in particular after the sting of losing Algeria.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    +1

    The EU is one of the greatest political achievements in modern history. An era of relative prosperity, peace and security in europe. It is serving it's purpose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    If you want a laugh go and take a look at the Astrazenica thread from early last year. Dyr and brickster69 were posting the exact same type of shite in there, 90% of it complete bollocks. It's not about Russia, it's not about Ukraine and it's certainly not about being right. It's just **** the EU, Germany, France etc... anything that makes them look bad is worth posting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Acting as they always have? I don’t see any maginot line or breakthrough at sedan or fall of Paris or Vichy France. France and Germany historically acting as they always have was war at least every 30-40 years. The EU has confined all that to the dustbin of History.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,916 ✭✭✭eire4


    The EU is far from perfect but its accomplishments and its benefit far out weigh its problems IMHO. Plus over time we can continue to work to improve the EU. Given all that it is easy to see why Ukraine wants to join the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Do you have anything actual rebuke to any of the points posted?

    Nope, just personal abuse. No suprise lol


    You may not have noticed but the peace Europe enjoyed from WW2 to the fall of the Soviet Union was the result of the presence of Uncle Sam and his massive stockpile of instant sunshine pointing at Russia, not the EU 😂 . You may also have noticed that wars of agression between nations to change borders are pretty much a thing of the past too (except with Russia of course), not much for the EU to take credit for there. I suppose you could boast that Germany has not tried to make **** of Europe via war since but thats a result of them deciding to retire from that game to gain readmission to the human race, again, thank the Yanks for that.

    But now, with the stabilisers off and daddy America occupied elsewhere, what has the EU, aka France and Germany, managed to do? Put Russian tanks back on Europes lawn. Dustbin of History, you say? They must have recycled it 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Whatever, but it has to be acknowledged that these 'brexiteer types' have put their military equipment where their mouths are. Unlike a vacillating, limp wristed EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    You were in here 9 days ago calling the Germans and French "krauts and frogs", so no, I'm not going to try and debate with that standard of shite posting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Breakdown of the latest military package being sent by the US to include howitzers and helicopters:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Unfortunately, human memory is terribly short, and we quickly forget just how terrible war is when peace and prosperity is all is known. It leads to an awful lot of complacency and nitpicky sh*te talk over things which completely pale into insignificance in comparison to the need to maintain peace. Russia and China would absolutely love the EU and NATO to break up because they are the very institutions checking their imperial ambitions and preventing Germany and France warring with each other. The west needs these institutions to maintain itself more than ever, because the grim authoritarian alternatives look absolutely horrible.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    France did not withdraw from NATO in 1966. This is easily verifiable stuff



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