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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    The problem is that they've provided zero evidence which suggests even a single mobile crematorium; let alone 14. No recorded intercepts, no satellite or other imagery; nada.

    For example the OSCE report which was released today doesn't even mention mobile crematoria or cremation whatsoever; and that report specifically deals with the handling of both civilian and combatant corpses.

    Which is not to say it isn't true; but these kinds of claims aren't particularly useful in terms of gaining political leverage without some kind of proof. I also recall the Pentagon was asked at some stage recently to comment on claims of mobile crematoria and they had no evidence that they were in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,604 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    That'll be the aontu and national party voters. Not too many pay much attention to those clowns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭storker


    That is how to do a protest. Such a shame it's necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Marine le pen saying she would like to see closer ties between NATO and Russia.

    Pretty sure if she gets into power it's going to be every nation for itself. She clearly has no backbone either .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    I don't think it's that nebulous, the constitutional neutrality is pretty clear in relation to not joining any military alliance:-

    "Constitutional Law on the Neutrality of Austria (26 October 1955)

    Article I

    (1) For the purpose of the lasting maintenance of her independence externally, and for the purpose of the inviolability of her territory, Austria declares of her own free will her perpetual neutrality. Austria will maintain and defend this with all means at her disposal.

    (2) For the securing of this purpose in all future times Austria will not join any military alliances and will not permit the establishment of any foreign military bases on her territory"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Wasn't even aware there was a thread. The Ukrainians that were already living here have done massive unofficial work of getting them housed. In no small part to themselves already being respected hard working members of their communities. A member of my own family has taken 4 in via this unofficial route. The kids are already attending the local schools.


    I've no interest in visiting that thread. As with all online forums they can very much give a misrepresentative view of wider public opinion. No more than this thread or any other one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,547 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    On a lighter, more heart-warming, note ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Which was my point: the impressionable types on Twitter/Facebook/wherever are exposed to these talking points via bots and they latch on to them. Then they float around and get amplified in their respective echo chambers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭thomil


    I'm not sure about that, so I'll defer to expert authority on that. However, having the Baltic effectively turn into a NATO lake is going to sting regardless. Much of Russia's policy since way back in the 18th or 19th century has been focused around acquiring a "warm" water port, aka one that doesn't freeze over in the winter.

    As it stands, only Murmansk and Vladivostok are both ice-free year-round and offer unfettered access to the world's oceans. Arkhangelsk and the White Sea ports freeze solid every winter, requiring massive icebreakers to keep the main shipping lanes open. Even then, ships usually have to be brought in by convoys. The situation is similar for the Baltic Ports around St. Petersburg. Kaliningrad is easier to reach, but doesn't have an overland connection to Russia anymore and ships to both ports have to either pass through the Danish Straits or the Kiel Canal, both of which can be closed in a heartbeat.

    The Black Sea ports are obviously ice-free year-round, but traffic to and from these ports have to deal with a large Turkey-shaped issue, more precisely the Bosporus and the Dardanelles. This leaves Vladivostok and a handful of ports in the Russian far east, all of which are far away from Russia's industrial heartland and on the extreme end of a very long and tenuous supply line in the shape of the trans-Siberian railroad.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Zelenskyy once again appealing for heavier weapons. Give it a retweet and a like there lads and lasses; who knows, maybe Scholz is an avid Tweeter:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seen the full pictures of the scenes last night and was hoping they wouldn't pop up .

    Absolutely gut wrenching stuff ,

    Russia needs to burn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I presume the nebulous part is in reference to "declares her ... perpetual neutrality"; and possibly the definition of a "military alliance".

    In any case there's nothing stopping them from changing it according to Wikipedia; at worst they can do so with a referendum similar to Ireland can and otherwise it just requires a two thirds majority of their National Council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭thomil


    That's exactly what it was referring to, @ronivek. When I was in school in Austria, the country had only fully joined the EU a few years earlier, and there were loads of discussions still ongoing around whether the EU constituted a military alliance for example. What's more, Austria has been hosting NATO nations for peace-keeping exercises or courses on helicopter operations on mountainous areas, and there's always a huge amount of discussion when for example US Army Black Hawks suddenly turn up in places like Aigen or Allentsteig.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,098 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Here's another demonstration by Ukrainian women that doesn't seem well reported on:

    Mothers 1.jpg Mothers 2.jpg


    "In the great cities of Europe and America Ukrainian mothers are commemorating their children who were killed by the occupants.

    The largest actions of Ukrainian mothers took place in Krakow, Bratislava, Chisinau, Munich and Atlanta.

    The main attribute of the marches are babies in creased stretchers to symbolize the children killed by the Russian invaders in Buchi, Kramatorsk, Mariupol, Irpen and other cities of Ukraine"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭threeball




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The far right are overly represented on these discussion forums. Even Fr Peter McVerry - a specialist in caring for the homeless in Ireland - says he has no issue whatsoever in tens of thousands of Ukrainian people being housed here (and points out that many of them may have experienced far greater trauma and loss than any Irish homeless person).



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Thought they had been on the path to joining for ages, just no real urgency to do so... Then Putin happened.


    Wouldn't call it rushed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Our Russian friends are not happy with Japan at all (seems the move to denote the Azov Batallion as not being a terrorist outfit has greatly angered them).





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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I have a lot of time for the man but how does the good Father suggest we pay for all this? Where do we get medium and likely for a fair number longterm housing in a housing crisis, that was seemingly intractable at Christmas? Where do we get all this cash after covid, pup a looming recession and rises in the cost of living? Where do we get the extra capacity in our health service that's been broken for decades, where there are already thousands of children on the waiting lists? Hope, good wishes and hugs and the magic money tree? He's a practical man so I'd love to hear the solutions.

    Without real solutions the honeymoon period will be short enough as they tend to be and that's precisely where a "far right" that everyone seems to get thier knickers in a bunch is likely to come from.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Part of the problem here is that Ukrainian refugees are not "homeless" and trying to conflate the issue of accepting refugees into the country from a war zone and that of domestic homelessness is a complete distortion by the Irish far right.

    These are two completely different subjects and need to be dealt with differently. Announcing that the country is "full" and we cannot accept any more refugees from Ukraine seems preposterous. What other country in the EU has even attempted this argument in recent weeks? Yes, accepting tens of thousands of refugees will put huge strains on resources, housing and the economy and the months ahead will be very difficult but I don't see the alternative. Also, our existing numbers of refugees and asylum seekers are very low by European standards.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Some evidence would be nice. There has been zero regarding these mobile crematoriums beyond hearsay from Ukrainian sources and a photo of one from 2013 that was originally claimed to be current and local. And it's not as if the Russians seem to pushed about covering up anything, never mind that a bombed to hell city is a far easier and more practical way to dispose of evidence of any war crimes, or Russia can just blame the other side as they've done throughout.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The far right have their head up their arse. This is the same people shouting about the lack of staff down their local shopping centre cafe or pub yet give out when there's a need to import labour to fill it . Nothing but a bunch of blaggards.

    Most of them probably giving out shite about the size of the queues in Dublin airport as they fanny off to Spain on their bi yearly jaunt to the sun.

    I've no truck with that shite. And no truck with people who parrott the how do we pay for it . The same way we pay for anything else. There's a global financial system were part of the EU borrowing is an all time low.

    The same people giving out this shite have sons and daughters in Australia and canada and wherever.

    The world doesn't stop Wibbs. It's evolving we adapt we live through it. All you can hope is you were good to others and they were good to you whilst you were here.

    Meanness kills you off early and is an awful way to exist.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You haven't answered the questions and there are a few of them. So how do we deal with them differently? I don't know how memories are so short when our resources like housing and health are already hugely strained. Again does anybody have any solutions beyond "we'll be grand" and "tighten our belts", because I'd love to hear them.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    looks like Russia is about to get a whole lot of Nato on her borders--

    Finnish Prime Minister Sanna Marin says her country will decide whether to apply to join Nato "within weeks".

    She said she saw no reason to delay the decision, at a joint news conference alongside Sweden's prime minister.

    Her comments coincided with a report to the Finnish parliament that said membership of the bloc could result in "increased tensions on the border between Finland and Russia".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61093302

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,098 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    There are 65,000 holiday homes. The EU just released €3.5b for helping countries accommodate refugees, and in addition to that:

    "OTTAWA, ON, April 9, 2022 /CNW/ - The "Stand Up for Ukraine" global pledging event and campaign has raised 9.1 billion euros ($12.4 billion) for people fleeing the Russian invasion, inside Ukraine and abroad, including €1 billion from the European Commission.

    On top of that, the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development has announced an additional €1 billion in loan to cover the needs of the people displaced by the invasion.

    Out of these €10.1 billion in pledges and EBRD funding, €1.8 billion are for internally displaced persons and €8.3 billion for refugees in frontline EU Member States and countries, like Moldova."

    Where there's a will, there's a way. Irelands problem lies in the will department.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I hate to break it to you, but Ireland has one of the largest national debts on the planet. Before this kicked off. Covid raised it by 33 billion. And you want to borrow yet more? That's your solution? And it's suddenly far right to ask simple bloody questions because people are high on current and understandable emotions? Like they were about covid a few scant months ago. Funny how that's all but gone, yet large areas in China are under strict house arrest over it. How does this play out in six months or twelve?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Is that going to go away ? Weve also one of the fastest growth in Europe and no one to fill various jobs.

    Has Ireland ground to a halt because our national debt is large ?

    It's a handy catch all out for anyone that just wants to say sure look how much money we owe. So what ?...

    There isn't a nation on earth that doesn't owe something..credit rotates the planet. We borrow we pay we live we grow etc yada yada yada.

    I'll sleep content that Ireland didn't shirk it's responsibilities as a country. We pray on being welcoming worldly and have an absolute huge diaspora. But then you have blaggards spout the absolute opposite. Zzzz


    May as well get Dev back and shut up shop



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