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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What massive new strain will our current health mess endure?

    The vast vast majority of Ukrainians coming in are young women with children.

    Not exactly the demographic to burden a health service is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Why should I feel guilty? Sure I'm going to organise a few bbqs, and pub quizes to help the Ukrainians.

    Someone has to teach them who the premier leagues top goalscorer was last season, or what the largest peninsula in the world is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    You expect Ukrainians fleeing and in fear to just hang around in the west of Ukraine not knowing what will happen next? Well that's nonsensical.

    People giving a s**t does not make them virtue signallers/jumping on a band wagon or just looking for misery porn. It's possible to care and not be some instagram influencer or looking for likes etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    And I hate to break it to you; the west of Ukraine an area double the size of Ireland is effectively conflict free. Even moreso since the Russians buggered off from Kyiv. Nobody is getting "slaughtered" there.

    There is 6-8 million Ukrainians displaced in their own country, the vast majority have fled there.

    That's the population of this entire Island.

    There is a humanitarian crisis currently inside that country too as well as the small matter of the cull of civilians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Ok champ, don't try to make nothing of the fact that I'm just trying to do a little. It's bloody rude.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Bigger fool me for getting sucked in to this c**p. It was clear what this thread was from the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭sam t smith


    He isn’t organising the BBQ’s, just attending them. Free food for all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Well to be fair, you did come in and vomit at the sight of people having a discussion on this topic saying that Irish people need to just shut up and "suffer".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Just to pull you up on one thing, the residency application process is done within 180 days for the vast, vast, vast majority of asylum seekers who arrive in Ireland. It's their endless appeals that last years and years. We need to streamline a system where an appeal can only be made on a point of law, or some new piece of evidence, not an endless, expensive waiting room for leave to remain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Because it was pages of vomit, absolute mé féiners using a housing crisis as an excuse not to do a thing. I'm sure a refugee won't have an issue with sleeping in a community centre if they have to.



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    sam t smith threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Pull away all you like

    Vast, Vast, Vast majority still remain, end up in Direct provision for YEARS, why is that exactly 🤔 and that's not the only WHY, I've raised such as laid out clearly in my posts previously.

    And just to clarify, in case your in any doubt.

    "All ligitimate refugees, especially those invited from war torn countries, should be treated equally"

    But of course have a plan in place, I reiterate, what's going on now is a Train Wreck.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Plenty more issues than just a housing crisis but you can read back over the thread yourself. Can't blame people for being "mé féiners" otherwise people with you're attitudes would be making all the decisions for them and their futures unopposed. I'm afraid people will need more concrete plans and strategies than just turning up to a bbq day out in the park and telling people to shut up and suffer.



  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Was just talking with someone the other night about healthcare and we came to the conclusion that yeah, it's not "at breaking point", it's completely broken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,483 ✭✭✭sonic85


    Has anyone in this thread suggested we as a country do nothing? I don't think so. The concerns being voiced are at the sheer numbers being suggested we take in. But sure I suppose in your haste to get your two cents in I shouldn't have expected you to have read the thread properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Children don't need health care?,look at the number of children currently on waiting lists...

    New figures from the Irish Hospital Consultants Association (IHCA) show nearly 100,000 children are on a hospital waiting list.

    Some 37,700 have been waiting longer than one year for care, while 27,700 have been waiting longer than 18 months.

    Meanwhile, almost 3,000 children were waiting to access mental health services in September – the highest figures since 2015.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/one-in-12-children-in-ireland-on-hospital-waiting-lists-1291453



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So how does a small percentage of children that may or may not require care worsen to a significant degree that absolute clusterfúck?

    They will go to the back of the queue if they are even placed on it not the front.

    That article is from December, long before any Ukrainian refugee arrived.

    But sure we will use it as a stick to beat them with anyway, something something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Sleep in a GAA hall for how long?

    A night, a few nights, a month, a year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Yeah, I'd say they'll be happier with that then getting raped or shot but what do I know.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    My understanding is they are working on the basis that each country in the EU takes a proportion of refugees based on their own population.

    The population of the EU is around 450m. Ireland's population is just over 1% of this. The population of Ukraine is around 45m. To date the numbers fleeing Ukraine is around 5m. If they all required housing across the EU we would be taking around 1% of 5m, or 50k or so. If 10m end up being displaced we would be talking 100k. 20m would be 200k. It does not seem credible that nearly half of Ukraine's population would require housing within the EU, particularly as there are non-EU members taking refugees and many people will simply not move out of the country. In addition it looks unlikely now that Russia will occupy a major part of the country. That 200k figure was very much a worst case scenario based on the whole of Ukraine being occupied and massive numbers being displaced. Looking at the numbers as they currently stand it would appear that we could end up housing between 50k and 100k short term, with numbers reducing once the conflict ends and people try and head back to Ukraine

    Ultimately though this response by Ireland is down to being a member of the EU. Any problems we may face pale into insignificance compared to what is currently going on in Poland



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Is always that binary an outcome? Go to Ireland or be shot/raped?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    Stupid comment. They're not just going to Ireland, they're going everywhere, some are also staying in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    One thing I noted from the story was that there was a quote stating money changed hands at the gate, which was never refuted by Natasha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭VillageIdiot71


    More instant solutions. 'The Government was “not ruling anything out”, he told Newstalk Breakfast, however, camps were “off the table”.'

    Not ruling anything out, while ruling something out. Meanwhile, you wonder, where are all the workers to perform these retrofits? 'James Benson of the Irish Home Builders Association .... It could be challenging to find labour to carry out such works'. Quelle surprise. Anyway, camps are off the table so I guess they'll all just huddle under umbrellas for months while the retrofits are carried out.

    Of course, maybe we'll get the Ukrainians to do the retrofits. That would explain why Chadwicks have launched their first ever TV advert at the moment, showing an empowered woman buying a power drill.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Oh Dear Jesus a woman buying a cordless drill.

    I wonder do Chadwicks sell sacred heart bulbs, think I may need to up the wattage after seeing that.

    *blesses self*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Michael Martin is a slave to feel good vibes blowing from RTE and this brain fart idea re_ Ukrainian refugees is yet another example of the neediness of the man when it comes to liberal establishment approval



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,081 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    We're ending up with 2% of the total as the EU are using our made up GDP numbers to say we can afford to take more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic


    Excellent post! I am of the sad belief that if is being purposely done to provide cheap labor and keep the housing situation in its current state, I would go further and say that the government want more demand in order to drive prices even higher. Thses guys are not steering the country into the scandanavian model that they wish to be, but are destroying the hopes of a generation to house themselves. Destroying the hopes of a generation to have a decent sized family and not be under huge pressure to pay back extortionate amounts of money to banks. Their answer seems to be, to hell with the Irish, they complain too much, let's just import the people that we can control. I hope any ukrainian that stays here does not allow anyone exoit them into cheap labour or suspect work practice's. They need to stop taking people in now, deal with the refugees we have and ensure they are provided for, then go agaín with a number that we can accommodate. I won't forget what this government have done come election time. The world is a big place, how many other countries world-wide are being as open and as accommodating as dear old Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭keoclassic





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I think like most things it's less of a conspiracy and more plain old unthinking incompetence.

    But shur we can 'pull on the green jersey'(tm) for the world stage. Be grand, like.



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