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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,051 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    According to the Russian liars / criminals, every time civilians die in Ukraine, they were killed by the Ukrainians themselves i.e. Ukraine is waging war on its own people.

    Has there been a more morally degenerate regime in Europe in the last few decades?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    In theory it has, it's actions leave that as unclarified.


    People go on about Pro Putin people being elected, for 20 years Germany has been radically pro Putin and his invasion in 2014 seemed to Only spur the German establishment and leadership on in that regard.

    I suspect that there will never again be a leader as Pro Putin as Merkel, no matter the country or the turbulence that leads to their election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭Field east


    The international mediia should categorically state without question that the RU army had no hand, act or part in the bombing of that train station and see what kind of a response comes from the Kremlin. The claim should be issued late in the day when Putins PR team are bleary eyed after another hard day. It normally takes the opposite view to what the western media states. So it might say therefor that they DID bomb it. It would be worth a try.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Trump, Orban and Berlusconi say hello.

    And if you think Merkel was 'pro-Putin', you're off your head. She is well documented as detesting him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    I think hatred was very much a two-way emotion between Putin and Merkel.

    The German policy decision wrt their energy is another matter entirely, but Merkel wasn't driven by any great grá for the endorsement of Putin..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,398 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭thomil


    I think it's more about being pro Russia than pro Putin. There certainly wasn't any love lost between most German leaders and Putin from shortly after Schröder was voted out in 2006. However, there has for a long time been a strong desire to mend relations with Russia as such. The history between Germany and Russia in the 20th century was dominated by two bloody conflicts that caused untold suffering on all sides, and one of Germany's most important cities is now called Kaliningrad. When the Iron Curtain fell in the late 80s and early 90s, there was a genuine desire to not repeat the mistakes of the past and build up a lasting relationship between the two countries. Dealing with unsavory characters such as Putin was considered as a necessary evil to build such a relationship. Russia and what is now Germany had gotten along well in the past, there's a reason there are places called Kronstadt and Peterhof surrounding St. Petersburg, which in itself is directly transposed from its originally German spelling into Cyrillic, apart from a short period during WW1 when it was named Petrograd.

    It is this desire to mend fences with Russia, together with an overconfidence in the back channel diplomacy practiced since the days of Willy Brandt, which in my opinion blinded lot of decision makers in Bonn and later Berlin during the late 1900s and early to mid 2000s. They saw the indisputable beauty & scale of Russia without noticing the darkness that was already brewing. And quite a few decisionmakers are still in denial, particularly amongst the social democratic party (SPD) and the conservatives (CDU).

    Life is far too serious to be taken seriously!



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    Guilty conscience starting to get the better of her?? Self medicating to counter all the BS she knows she spouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Is she actually drunk in this clip? Looks like a she devil



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    From what I understood from the few posts, those missiles with cluster bombs don't hit something and go "boom". The casing opens and scatters all the bomblets all over the place. It might open with a small explosion, but it isn't the case that you'd expect it to blow to smithereens.



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  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Germany have been in Putins and Xi jin pings pockets for many years, thanks to Merkel.

    They have dug a hole so deep its hard to get out of



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,457 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    I'd say a lot of them are out of their tits on alcohol and drugs most of the time now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    The russians are just fûckkingg with the west putting out crazy stuff like this… we get out raged and then turn on Netflix



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,051 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, I think we're looking at shrapnel from a missile strike. All the evidence is that the train station was hit by two Russian missiles, almost simultaneously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    I wish you were right but I don't think you are. In 3 days time this latest atrocity will be forgotten by 99.9 percent of people, but the murdered will never come back, these atrocities are not "defeats" for Russia, they are instead war crimes that simply go unpunished



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    Partly I agree with you. Steinmeier, who was one of the main architects of the German approach to Putin under Merkel, today getting headlines for saying Putin and Lavrov should be brought to the Hague for trial. I've no doubt he means it and regrets his mistakes, but what use are those words? We all know it'll never happen. It's just posturing and soundbites and does nothing to stop the slaughter. There needs to be offensive weapons, not just defensive. Enough is enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I'm not a strategic genius, I'm just an average Joe. But, it seems to me that the "West" have missed a golden opportunity to try pushing the boundaries.

    Putin has labelled everything as an unfriendly gesture, provocation or act of war, SO USE THAT, and take the line that "sure we can't avoid a confrontation if everything's a confrontation, we're just trying to lessen the chaos and help avoid further misunderstandings".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Boris stood with Shultz announcing even more support in the aid of Ukraine.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    They are double dumb. They already paid for them, so that's only their loss....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I can clearly see why French turned towards Le Pen and it isn't because, as some would play it, they all became fascist nazis.

    It is precisely because of weak political leadership in the West that people turned towards right wing politicians, most of whom got backing from Putin.

    How many time shave some of us said that the danger is not the current crop of right wingers but who is coming down the road.

    Maybe finally Western politicians will cop on.

    I doubt it though, they will eventually see off Putin and go back to arguing about taxing the shyte out of us to save the planet and how many different types of toilets we need.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Fúcking Hell, she is clearly off her títs, did she just back from a trench in Chernobyl?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Oh the Guardian.

    Last time I checked aircraft didn't run on gas and I would bet they would deem electric cars to be ok.

    The cars that run on electricity generated by gas. Numpties.

    So a lot of movement towards Konigsberg sorry I mean Kalingrad 😉

    Now's your chance.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,713 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Well the Soviets had gulags and held half of Europe in chains for decades and the rest under the threat of invasion. Russia is their successor and retains their low view of the value of human life and freedom.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭thomil


    Nah, we’re good, thanks 😬 The bill to get that place back up to spec would likely be astronomical 😮😵‍💫

    Life is far too serious to be taken seriously!



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure about that. France with Le Pen in charge would be very unpredictable. She would be more likely to follow the opinion of the French people rather than EU or NATO guidelines. She could be a far better friend to Ukraine than Macron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I keep drawing parallels to WW2.

    It is maybe a bit like the bunker in 1945.

    Who would want to be the general that has tell old Vlad that they have had to pull back ?

    Who is the one that has to tell him more sanctions are coming ?

    By all accounts he was effectively living in a bunker for the last couple of years scared sh**less of anyone getting near him.

    I think it was the leader of the glorious nation of kazakhstan that had to self isolate for two weeks just so he could meet him.

    The guy has been on the edge and anyone dealing closely with him must be totally on edge as well.

    If only they would all do the decent thing ala May 1945.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    taxing the shyte out of us to save the planet 

    The planet doesn't need saving it doesn't give a flying fúck about us, it will enter into a 10,000 year ice age and not bat an eyelid, come out the other side cleansed and it would a mere nano second for it.

    The heating of the planet is about saving humans.

    Now whether you believe in that or not, drastically reducing or dependency on coal, gas and oil in the next 10-20 years is probably the most important thing the West can do, it's imperative, because the way I see it these Authoritarian fúcks who own large amounts of it are not getting any less authoritarian.

    ______________________

    As for Le Pen, the images from Ukraine are only going to get worse in the coming weeks.

    There is no denying her past Dictator Love for Vlad.

    She hasn't a hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    That's why they call Ukrainian government druggies. They are always talking about themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Cast your mind back to 2010 and the Germans insisting the Euro be protected regardless of the damage it did to other European nations' economies

    Different story now, when it comes to them feeling some pain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    As someone pointed out above, war crimes are dealt with quickest in the field. The next few batches of captured Russian military personnel will be quietly or otherwise despatched to their eternal reward.



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