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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The hospitals just keep on giving. Another drop of 63 this morning now at 1182. Quite a difference over the last week or so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,842 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    So happy that the pro mask mandate media and crazies on Twitter didn't get their way last week because they would be over the moon crediting mask effectiveness right now if they did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    Been said before but thank betaa jaysus they didn't bring back the mask mandate, could you imagine all the usual Pat Kenny types saying " See !!! the masks work!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Amenhotep


    ah beat me to it ... sorry :D

    didnt see this post before mine



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apologists will always look for the technicalities.

    For example, Ireland had no curfew. But nowhere was open and we had a 5km travel restriction in place for 7 months that was heavily enforced with checkpoints everywhere. A curfew would have been more freedom.

    Did some countries have tougher restrictions? Yes. Did they keep them in place for 7 months? Absolutely not.


    In fact, no country in the world had such a tight travel restriction in place and certainly not for 7 months.

    During those months government advice was to stay home unless absolutely essential.



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  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Great to see cases and hospital numbers going down with no lockdowns or restrictions or masks needed.

    Many of us said this 2 years ago. Shame people didn't listen.

    I now have to listen to friends moaning about the cost of living who wanted the government to borrow whatever necessary to keep the lockdown going



  • Posts: 183 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A bit like house arrest? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_arrest) "In justice and lawhouse arrest (also called home confinementhome detention, or, in modern times, electronic monitoring) is a measure by which a person is confined by the authorities to their residenceTravel is usually restricted, if allowed at all. "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Funny how quick people forget, while there may not have been an actual house arrest law, this time 2 years ago people were only allowed leave their house for essential reasons, we were discouraged from chatting to neighbours over the fence, we were only allowed shop for food and medical reasons, we had a limited number of essential jobs allowes, even exercise was curtailed, 30 mins of daily exercise was recommended, any more it was deemed excessive and unnecessary.


    Anyway thank fućk thats all behind us.



  • Posts: 183 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Most objective people would recognise that as a form of house arrest, I suspect.



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some of the stuff that happened over the last 2 years is absolutely cringeworthy and nobody involved should be getting any promotions.

    I remember Holohan talking about how lethal BBQs were as someone would have to eventually use the toilet... Or actual demonstrations on TV on how to pass a gravy boat safely...

    There really should be an investigation into every restriction that was ordered and ensure the things that had no merit will never be seen again under any circumstances!

    If there is another pandemic we need to be prepared. Work from home were possible and social distance. No other virtue signalling nonsense is needed



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Really disturbing.

    I'm only looking at it thinking "don't open the windows"?? What do they think is going to happen if windows are opened?Realistically, how many people in a high rise building will open windows infect?

    Bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Now that the laws have been done away with and people are starting to come to their senses, I haven't really been following the news or boards recently, but I heard the radio news for the first time in a few days today, and I see / hear that King Tony is taking a bit of flak for his taxpayer funded move to Trinity, including from Mehole who is looking for a report on the whole process.

    I wonder is this some form of payback for Tony playing puppet master with the government over the last two years?

    I remember someone saying to me at the time when Big Phil got nailed over "Golfgate" that political enemies always "lurk in the long grass" (i.e. play the long game), waiting for the most opportune moment to strike back.... I can help but wonder if this is Tony's chickens coming home to roost after how he played the government, and by extension, the rest of us mere taxpaying mortals who were confined to our homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,469 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Probably completely off topic for this thread but if you've seen any of the interviews and soundbites they've all said its nothing to do with the CMO how it (the secondment) was handled and arranged, so this whole king Tony, payback etc is a bit misjudged from you tbh.

    What's being questioned is the process from the Dept of Health civil servents, I.e Robert Watt the secretary General of the dept of health, who would have had the final say on it and signed off on it. Its how they arranged an open ended secondment with trinity funded by the Dept of Health that's under the microscope and rightly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Perhaps you are right.

    I've not been paying too much attention, just mentioning what I heard on the radio.

    I didn't do too much digging, I don't care about King Tony all that much, although anything that gets a dig into him is OK in my book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32



    “PROFESSOR LUKE O’NEILL, alongside infectious disease experts Professor Mary Horgan and Paddy Mallon have been confirmed as members of the Government’s new Covid-19 advisory group.”

    It will be chaired by Holohan.

    The whole list:

    New Covid-19 advisory group members

    Chair: Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan

    Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn

    Chief Clinical Officer of the HSE Dr Colm Henry

    Chair of the IEMAG Prof Philip Nolan

    Chair of the HIQA Covid-19 Expert Advisory Group

    Prof Máirín Ryan

    Chair of the AMRIC Dr Eimear Brannigan

    Director, HPSC Dr Derval Igoe

    Regional Director of Public Health Dr John Cuddihy

    General Practitioner Dr Tadhg Crowley

    President RCPI Prof Mary Horgan

    Consultant Microbiologist Dr Anne Rose Prior

    Consultant in Infectious Diseases Prof Paddy

    Mallon

    ESRI Behavioural Research Unit Prof Pete Lunn

    Director, National Virus Reference Laboratory Dr

    Cillian de Gascun

    Professor of Physical Chemistry Prof John Wenger

    Senior Lecturer in Biochemistry Dr Anne Moore

    Professor of Biochemistry and Immunology

    Professor of Biochemistry and Immunology Prof

    Luke O'Neill

    Professor, Chair in Comparative Immunology Prof

    Cliona O'Farrelly

    Head of Health Protection Division, DOH Mr Fergal

    Goodman

    Representative of the Department of An Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,163 ✭✭✭✭callaway92




  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Like when an organisation "rebrands" but are still the exact same organisation they were before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    NPHET 2.0 🙄

    First sign of a new "variant" and they'll lock us down again in a heartbeat given half a chance.....



  • Posts: 895 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I look forward to NPHET 2.0 changing their mind every week now with O’Neill on there.

    One positive sign is that there is no sign of ray Walley or Dr Favier on there. Don’t mean to be personal but they were the worst. Pushing horrible agendas around the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    In all probability that is untrue. NPHET virtually shrugged their shoulders at any Omicron and post-Omicron variants, much to the horror of some, so at most it will monitor in the background. Any suggestions of alarm should drop way very quickly over these next few weeks and they may as well earn their fees by starting work on a better improved pandemic plan. Their most immediate job will be considering the challenges of COVID/flu season 2022-23, coming in September.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I hope you are right, but they have form with regards to restrictions, whether you think they were justified or not.

    Time will tell I guess, heaping misery on top of more misery won't do any good in future, especially with regards to delayed detections, deferred hospital admissions etc. As has has been mentioned before, the cure is possibly worse than the disease.

    As a related aside, something that I just remembered while typing.... VHI are giving partial refunds in premiums because of reductions in the number of patients being able to access services over the last two years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Nice big drop in hospital numbers , down 113 to 1,069, so we should hear no more about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The amount of authoritarianism on Twitter seems to be growing by the day. It’s quite unnerving seeing people demanding lockdowns because people “ don’t get it” about masks and social distancing etc The dinner that Pelosi was at that caused 37 infections really has the drool coming from their mouths.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Don’t think anyone in the real world is listening to them Micky, it’s done, they’ll just have to get on with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    People of Ireland taken for mugs for 2 years. Maybe with this latest "jobs for the boys" scandal, the remaining worshippers of Saint Tony of NPHET might finally see what it was all about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    It's over for now.

    But come next Oct-Nov the usual mob will be calling for restrictions to bailout our pathetic health service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    It seems the IMNO are butthurt that none of them were included in the new advisory panel. Jesus if they got in we’d be hearing nothing but moaning and ‘advising’ about restrictions and masks anytime hospitals numbers rise a bit.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Things are actually worse in China than this apparently. In Shanghai, sick babies are being taken from parents and kept in makeshift dormitories, with a nurse:child ratio of about 1:10.

    People are trapped in their homes, not with few supplies; some with no supplies at all. Elderly and vulnerable people without food or medicine or health care.

    Allegedly the military has been deployed onto the streets in anticipation of larger protests.

    I can't see where this goes for China tbh. A lot of CCP propaganda at the start focussed on how they had saved the people from the pandemic. How the West was floundering and allowing its people to die in the name of personal freedoms. That by sacrificing all of their liberty, the CCP did best by the Chinese people.

    That picture of the big pool party in Wuhan was massive CCP propaganda about their victory over COVID while the west was still suffocating.

    But now they're fucked. Omicron has evolved beyond the effectiveness of even the harshest lockdown. I imagine even culling the sick at this stage wouldn't be enough to stop it.

    But the CCP have no idea what to do next. To allow it to spread, to admit failure, is not acceptable. They need a "win" to pull this back. Maybe they'll purchase 2bn doses of Pfizer, rebrand them as Sinovac 2 and roll them out, I don't know.

    But it's all looking very ropey. They can't keep starving people in their homes and abducting children to stop an unstoppable virus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Tony Holohan is not taking up the Trinity role. https://www.independent.ie/news/dr-tony-holohan-will-not-take-up-academic-position-at-trinity-college-dublin-and-will-leave-public-service-41537150.html Hes dead right. As always public servants are disposable when politicians need a scapegoat and wouldn't stand over a sensible decision. Not much thanks there for all he did for his country. Disgraceful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


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