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You're advocating the summary execution of prisoners of war. You're not even entertaining the possibility that isolated Ukraine units could be committing war crimes; or maybe you're saying that it's fine for Ukraine to commit war crimes because Russia is committing war crimes? Is that it; tit for tat is perfectly fine in your view?

If your position is that I support Russia purely because I don't want Ukraine to commit war crimes; you and those who thanked your posts are idiots. This kind of behaviour and logic is exactly the kind of knee-jerk emotive reaction that Kremlin propaganda uses on its population.

One of the main reasons I don't want to see Ukraine commit war crimes is because it hurts Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian nation:

• Ukraine loses credibility in every single international arena where it might try to pursue Russia: International Criminal Court, United Nations, G7/G20, and even just 1-1 diplomatic efforts.
• Ukraine gives Russia actual credible evidence which they can use to further their own domestic and international propaganda efforts.
• Ukraine may risk its access to better and more advanced weapons which it can use to actually drive Russia out of Ukraine.
• War crimes committed by Ukrainians will allow Russian troops (who are using almost exactly the same idiotic **** logic as you and your mouth-breathing pals) to feel more justified in raping/executing Ukrainian detainees, civilians, and prisoners of war.
• War crimes committed by Ukrainians may harden the directives given by senior military leaders to troops on the ground.

Honestly. Advocating for Ukraine to commit war crimes is idiotic; you should all be ashamed of yourselves.

And to be perfectly clear: I abhor the Russian state, I condemn the war crimes they have clearly committed and likely continue to commit in Ukraine, and I want every Russian soldier and officer in the entire chain of command right up to Putin to be dragged before the Hague and prosecuted for every single civilian death, every single war crime, every single cent of damage done to the Ukrainian nation and Ukrainian people.

But I still absolutely and unequivocally condemn any war crimes committed by Ukrainian troops or any and all troops fighting on behalf of Ukraine; and every single incident should be fully investigated and those people should also be punished after the war.

Over my few weeks here, and as much as I do sometimes enjoy the debate, I generally skip over the long winded essays. Keeping it short, simple and to the point is the key. Directed at both sides (okay I get the Moskovite botcentre part of it), what kind of job allows you to take part in this type of debate day in day out?

Brass balls

Christ, to all the pro-Russian lackies, saying “but, but, but, Ukraine did…”, remind me which country it was that invaded another country forcefully?

If my house is burgled and that burglar is raping my wife and the kids, should I just let him proceed and not try to defend ?

I suppose it was more a question of how much opportunity is there for manoeuvre once a nuclear exchange has began. When I was a child the narrative was that world war 3 would be over in a matter of hours. That was the MAD doctrine. Is that still the doctrine? Let’s assume that Russian first strike nuclear strikes on western targets is impossible to hide from the Russian people. Could the west/NATO at that stage make clear to residents of Moscow/St Petersburg etc that their cities are about to be atomised if they fail to deliver Putins head on a platter or show definitive cause to wrest control from him in a reasonable time. Probably wouldn’t make a difference. Have visions of chamberlains 11am German withdrawal ultimatum on 3 sep 1939. But it is to put it mildly, incredibly disquieting to think that an automatic tit for tat exchange to obliteration is the only course. They really are the dumbest weapons that man ever created.

"The Bushmaster armoured vehicle, developed by Thales Australia (formerly ADI Limited) is in full production at ADI's engineering and manufacturing facility at Bendigo, Victoria.

"A double wishbone independent suspension system designed by Timoney in County Meath, Ireland provides good cross-country mobility across difficult terrains."

So, correct, as originally stated. Designed and built in Australia, mate.

Actually it seems we were both incorrect.

The original was designed by Timoney and based on its MP44. However it was built jointly under license from Timoney by ADI and later Thales for Australia. So Irish design but Australian manufacturing.

Either way happy something with Irish roots might be going to help Ukraine.

@Curious_Case

The chain of command may well not obey Putin's command if that command were to launch a nuclear first strike, but I don't think any serious military strategist would be planning any escalation of conflict on the basis that Putin's chain of command would possibly be pragmatic about being told to launch a nuke. When the stakes get that high, they must surely looking for extremely high or low probabilities before deciding on a course of action.

Your constant anti European rants are extremely tedious.

Let's not forget that the UK and especially the Tories have allowed the same Russian oligarchs who benefit from and prop up Putin to use London as their playground for the last two decades, and they also continue to do business with Saudi Arabia, a country whose conduct in Yemen is very comparable with the Russians in Ukraine.

Yes, Germany and France have made mistakes and put money before people, but Britain has lots of blood on its hands too

I think you make the mistake of assuming being a pariah in the West means Russia will become the new North Korea. It won't. It has massive markets and friends in China and India, among other places, it has products and services other countries want and need, they will happily fill the gap the West leaves.

Q raised on Twitter/Reddit earlier.

Where are those Antifa lads in all of this?

There's literally a fascist invading a peaceful country. Why are they not counter protesting the lads in Berlin for example?

because Antifa originates from the usual dis-information which was churned out during the info war while Trump was being elected and in his early office tenure...

can't exactly have them shooting themselves in the foot

Just another story of another killing in Bucha

"Speaking to the BBC by phone alongside his mother, Alla, the 14-year-old gave his account of what happened next. "We told them that we weren't carrying any weapons and that we didn't pose any danger," he said.

"Then my father turned his head my way, and that's when he got shot… He was shot twice in the chest, right where the heart is. Then he fell."

At that point, the teenager said, the soldier shot him in his left hand and he fell too. While he was on the ground, he said, he was shot again, this time in the arm.

"I was lying on my stomach, I couldn't see anything that was happening around me," Yuriy said. The soldier, he said, shot again, aiming at his head. "[But] the bullet went through my hood."

Yuriy said the soldier shot again, this time at his father's head. But Ruslan was already dead. "I had a small panic attack, lying there with my wounded arm underneath me. I saw that my hand was bleeding," he said.

It was only after a while, when the soldier went behind a tank, that Yuriy got up and ran, he said."

And people here still argue that Ukrainians should take a minute to think of the Geneva Convention before shooting Russian soldiers