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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭josip


    But who is to say Russia is not doing that anyway? Russia was always known for having a poorly trained, educated, motivated and disciplined army. Russian soldiers are not known for bothering with the niceties of any international conventions in any conflict.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Good post and sadly true.


    Winning for the Ukraine might mean a third of the country lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I think it's clearly happening to some extent yes; we have evidence for it from Bucha and various witness statements from elsewhere.

    But Russia is currently occupying a number of population centres with many tens of thousands of Ukrainian people who are effectively hostages. Plus however many have been moved into Russia and DPR/LPR from Mariupol and other places. Those are the people I would be most worried about if NATO got involved.

    Incidentally a new video has come to light which appears to show Ukrainians executing Russian solders; at least two of which appear to have their hands bound. Not sure if it's supposed to be some kind of revenge for Bucha or what but it doesn't look good; not good at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭AngeloArgue


    I should add that the Americans just don't have it in them for an all out offensive war against Russia. Not while they are not under direct attack. There wouldn't be a domestic political support for it. They will supply and they will sanction. I just don't see them prepared to get into a major conflict that could result in significant civilian casualties on American soil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Soldiers vs civilians.


    I don’t think they compare.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I'm never really sure if I should post these kind of videos here but I do think it's important people can see some of the realities of war if they so choose. And also think it's important not to hide the actions of Ukrainians; even though they are clearly in a fight to defend their country, their lives, their families.

    The video appears to show several Russian soldiers lying on the ground in pools of blood; at least one of whom has an obvious head wound. At least one soldier clearly has his hands bound; and a second one also appears to have his hands bound but it's harder to tell for sure.

    A slightly longer version actually shows one of the men out of shot firing on one of the men dying on the ground.

    This is very graphic and versions of the video contain up to two men dying so be warned:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ^^^ I'm not that comfortable with the publication of these types of videos. It's lending itself to the "two sides" argument being pushed by the far right in Europe and by Putin supporters. Ukraine and Russia are not 'at war' and were not involved in a major dispute with each other in February that led to war. Ukraine was a neutral state and was suddenly and brutally invaded by its totalitarian neighbour led by a tyrant and without warning - Ukraine are trying to fight off a brutal invasion from thugs with the chief thug being in the Kremlin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Jeff2





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Jeff2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,853 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I don't watch those videos, but you mentioned they were Russian, and Soldiers, in war that is fair game, especially when you are defending your country.

    It's very different from Russian soldiers shooting , raping, and murdering innocent unarmed women and children.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,507 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    And they're mostly going to be of interest to the Putin supporters and the far right etc. There is no narrative that can be spun that Ukraine is not a victim here or that there are two sides to what is going on. How many Russian civilians have died since Feb 24th.....has there even been one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,853 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I sometimes wonder who is behind all the brainwashing in Russia, is Putin himself a victim of it, does he truly believe he is fighting Nazi's, he comes across as someone who truly believes in all he is told, but who the **** is feeding the lies, his intelligence agencies are filling him with pure fiction, and he's taking it as gospel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I'd suggest they don't let him anywhere near the teakettle or the biscuits and keep an eye on the same lad even when in the Jacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    From rhe various reports- It appead that Merkel had almost a schoolgirl crush on putin. Between the blushes and the flowers and the hugs and ardent friendliness you'd be excused that she bought into this psychotic fcuker hook line and sinker

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    Or maybe I've just read too much into Merkel apparent fascination for this guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Never seen those photos but they tie in with her actions.


    Her actions and demeanor went beyond typical hireling expression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Look, I'm not a bit inclined to investigate the legalities of it all, so I will ask it here:

    Is it a war crime to violate Russian POW's with a baseball bat or similar (even when using vaseline, lubricant or whatever animal fat that may be to hand)??

    If it is a war crime, is it true if perpetrated only by other soldiers or also if perpetrated by civilians?

    Secondly, what about Filatov?

    If this were to somehow happen to him, would it be a war crime?

    Then again, there's no war going on. It's a "Specialist Military Operation".

    What about the other so-called "diplomats" in that part of Orwell Road.

    What if a "Special non-Military Violation" were to occur... for example in the restrooms of Cafe en Paris, in Dublin.

    What are our legal reprimands in this case if & when the perpetrators are found?

    We are a very open country. So if want to feel a Tov or even two, it should be allowed.

    If they refuse then it should be a matter of batsky in the first instance to the front followed up by the aforementioned lubricated second instance to the back.

    We are Ireland of course, so we can give them a choice... of lube and or type of bat.

    I don't see anyone selecting a hurley compared to a baseball bat though.

    The infiltration into enemy territory is always difficult indeed. But it is the exfiltration that can be the hardest.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    My comment about wondering if I should post was referring to the graphic nature rather than the fact it isn't very pro-Ukrainian. I'm not trying to argue for some sort of equivalence between Russia and Ukraine as state actors; merely pointing out that individuals who represent either state can engage in some distasteful behaviour.

    We wouldn't tolerate our own soldiers or NATO soldiers executing prisoners; soldiers or otherwise. Oh maybe some would cheer; but as a society absolutely not. Ukraine should be held to the same standard if they want to join the EU or argue that they should have been allowed to join NATO.

    And even worse we just had some reported 267 Ukrainian soldiers taken prisoner by the Chechens in Mariupol. What do you think the Chechens might do if they're to see this video, do you think? Are you happy enough for the Chechens to just bind them all, women and teenagers included, shoot them in the head, and let them bleed out while choking on their own blood in the middle of a dirty street?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    So to be clear: you're in favour of allowing enemies to surrender, binding them, and then executing them summarily on the roadside? So every single Russian soldier taken prisoner should be summarily executed? 18 year old conscripts forced into mandatory service and shipped to Ukraine without even knowing where they were going? DPR/LPR conscripts dressed in Cold War uniforms, given no armour, WWII-era weapons, and sent to the front lines to die? They should just be executed on the spot even if they surrender because "ah sure it's war, it's fair game"?

    And by that logic every single Ukrainian taken prisoner by the Russians should also be executed immediately; right? Including all the women and teenage volunteers just trying to defend their country or help their community? Should we allow a certain amount of raping first? Or nah just straight to the executions; because execution is okay but raping them would be a step too far?

    Jesus wept. And look at all the likes too; are you people for real? Executing people who surrender? Seriously?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    Meanwhile in another part of the world two neighbouring countries are at odds with each other (what's new there I suppose) once again with one side making nuclear threats, sound familiar?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,927 ✭✭✭eire4


    This should have happened already. What are they waiting for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    They can certainly try to persuade the administration but I can't see the US changing their position and agreeing to sending attack planes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Just so we are abundantly clear to hold your outrage. The Russian intelligence are inside Ukraine and have staged various false activities. There is ample reason for them to falsify this . There's no evidence this is Ukrainians . It could indeed be entirely opposite. But it's already won you over.

    Which for me is no surprise frankly

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228


    So sad that parents have to essentially turn their childrens backs into impromptu dog tags, that two and a half year old has no idea of the significance of her parents writing on her back no doubt, I pray that information never needs to be looked upon:-




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    You need to grow up.

    A fertile imagination is one thing.

    Hate filled drunken ramblings after midnight which could incite violence is quite another.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The apologism appears to be rampant, basically doing the Russian propaganda for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Kaliningrad is getting some intense attention of late. This is the first time I've seen the RC-135 so far north and so close to Kaliningrad. There has been a steady buildup of forces and equipment by the Russians over the last two weeks, all being observed by the Swedish AF, US Army Beechcraft Signals, P-3 Orions and now the RC-135.

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    There are only two Combat Sent aircraft in the Air Force inventory and both are assigned to the 55th Wing at Offutt AFB, Neb. The RC-135U aircraft are manned by Air Combat Command crews from the 45th Reconnaissance Squadron and the 97th Intelligence Squadron (of the Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency). The Combat Sent is composed of a wide variety of commercial off-the-shelf and proprietary hardware and software. Its current configuration allows for both manual and automatic analysis of electronic signals. By combining manual systems with the Automatic Electronic Emitter Locating System, Ravens and intelligence specialists can simultaneously locate, identify, and analyze multiple electronic signals.

    The Combat Sent records these signals for future reference or for extensive analysis by electronic systems theorists. Any information garnered from the data will help determine detailed operating characteristics and capabilities of foreign systems. Evasion techniques and equipment are then developed from this knowledge that will detect, warn of, or defeat these electronic systems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,173 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    It's becoming quite clear your stance.... Oh I Fully support Ukraine but here's more videos from Russian propaganda channels showing how they are so evil for Defending their country

    Need to get a new mask



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I watched a lot of war documentaries. Years ago I bought the entire DVD collection of the absolute classic world at war series narrated by Laurence Olivier.

    It begins with poignant footage in the abandoned French village of oradure sur glane. Most of the accounts in the series are eyewitness. It was made in the early 70’s so many of the protagonists were still alive. Albert Speer , Bomber Harris , Anthony Eden, Karl donitz , lord mountbatten, Averrill Harriman, Hitlers private secretary Traudl Jung , Karl Wolff (himmlers private aide) Numerous Holocaust survivors in their 30’s and 40’s at the time. I think the fact that most of the people interviewed are in a much younger state and recalling more recent memories than usual world war 2 documentaries really drives home the reality of it. You can still feel the pain and anguish and the Hate. It was as recent for them at that time as the latter days of the troubles in the North are for us today. My take away from it was that there was a sense of we are not far removed from barbarity. That it would not take much for it to all be repeated again. The people were reasonable well spoken decent people just like us generally who were involved in the most terrible acts and witnessed the most unspeakable horror in what were supposed to be modern civilised times. Really modern society and peace and civility is a fragile precarious veneer.



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