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greenpilot · 05-04-2022 08:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881695#Comment_118881695

But, there would have been an intervention by NATO and an end, in some way, to the hostilities. When this all kicked off, I was firmly on the side of no intervention, due to the Nuclear threat. But seeing how Russia has seen a non-intervention as a green light for atrocities, I believe it was a terrible mistake not to call Putins bluff on it and hold Air Superiority, at least.

Field east · 05-04-2022 08:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118880555#Comment_118880555

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118872947#Comment_118872947

This thread has been derailed / deflected all over the place. IMO the FACTS are as follows :-

Putin said , as recently as a few months ago that

(a) UKR is a failed state and governed by nazis

(b ) Russia and Ukr are all the on family/ we are all brothers or words to that effect.

(c) it was a MAJOR MAJOR mistake that the USSR was broken up

All the reasons being given by Putin to justify the invasion are deflections and we are all ‘ buying into them’

eg existance of bio- chemical facilities, developing an army to threaten a Russia , etc, etc

THE BOTTOM LINE is that Putin wants to recreate the USSR by WHATEVER MEANS. The groundwork for this objective started when he became president and we did not know it.

‘he waits for an opportunity when a number of factors exist and then he pounces to control’ bits here and bits there’ eg Georgia, part of Moldova , Crimera, Donbas area.

And because the WEST has not really reacted to any of this apart from sanctions that the Russians could manage to deal with without significantly upsetting them, Putin PLOUGHED on.

One key part of his strategy is to develop a bit of ferment by identifying/ placing RU sympathisers in the country /part of country he wants to annex and then say ‘ these people speak Russian and they really beylong to the homeland ‘ etc , etc , and away he goes.

As the question goes:-

How do you eat an elephant?

Answer - A little bit at a time.

Field east · 05-04-2022 08:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118880649#Comment_118880649

Is it fake. Could RU not have got a few seamstress/tailors run up circa 500 uniforms. Fit out 500 conscripts with them . Get them to roll in the muck,. Get a few of them to wear bloodied bandages , look dour/ dejected for the camera and away you go!!

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Raoul Duke III · 05-04-2022 08:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118861655#Comment_118861655

Merkel hated Putin and it was mutual.

Read up on the

https://www.vox.com/2014/12/1/7313443/vladimir-putin-merkel

infamous tale of Putin's dog for some colour.

realdanbreen · 05-04-2022 08:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881779#Comment_118881779

You always start your pro putin shyte with "I'm not sure if I should " or "here's the other side ". The bottom line is that Russia attached Ukraine, Russians raped,tortured, and slaughtered Ukranians. No Russian civilians have been killed let alone raped or tortured. So as far as I'm concerned you can shove your whataboutery where the sun don't shine.

Raoul Duke III · 05-04-2022 08:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881883#Comment_118881883

The Geneva Convention exists for a reason.

That said, I wouldn't believe anything (or be so gullible as to post it on here) the Russians claim without checking it had been verified by several independent media sources. They lie as easily as breathing.

is_that_so · 05-04-2022 08:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881937#Comment_118881937

US politics rarely agrees or gets things done quickly. Aircraft are out as the Ukrainians couldn't use Western planes plus it would bring a wider escalation a lot closer.

Raoul Duke III · 05-04-2022 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881236#Comment_118881236

I think JP Morgan have pulled out already?

Jame Dimon (probably the most high profile banker in the world) is calling for more sanctions.

is_that_so · 05-04-2022 08:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882080#Comment_118882080

Apart from supplying Ukraine with weaponry anything else does give Putin an excuse to do what he wants. Enforcing air superiority wouldn't have stopped what's going on here.

brickster69 · 05-04-2022 08:45AM

Due to increasing shortage of diesel and other distillates Jet fuel reaches the highest price ever. Probably in the next 2 or 3 weeks we will start to see restrictions in place for Diesel.

is_that_so · 05-04-2022 08:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881199#Comment_118881199

These things are easy to say. Work is underway to do that but it will take time. Gas will prove to be the biggest problem.

TheValeyard · 05-04-2022 08:46AM

At this stage if the Russians said it was raining, I'd walk outside myself and check. I dont believe a word they say.

Ash.J.Williams · 05-04-2022 08:49AM

At the start of the invasion RTE played a clip of bertie ahern and it as casual as it was delivered it made a lot of sense, he was asked, having met putin, what was he like?. He said even in the short chat they had he mentioned his hatred for Ukraine several times.

is_that_so · 05-04-2022 08:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882160#Comment_118882160

The aim was always to ratchet them up bit by bit. By doing so theoretically would give him reason for pause or to save face and back out. He's very clearly not going to do that.

Discodog · 05-04-2022 08:51AM

The Russian Embassy are complaining. Apparently no one will sell them heating oil.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/russian-embassy-urges-irish-government-26635546?int_source=nba

Ash.J.Williams · 05-04-2022 09:00AM

When joe biden talks "off script" specifically naming putin as a war criminal i keep thinking of the old Tommy Tiernan line when the news anchors ask biden about calling out putin directly and it's diplomatic problems ..

"well it isn't the mexicans is it?"

alias no.9 · 05-04-2022 09:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882191#Comment_118882191

Why would a complex that large, in a district served by mains gas, be using oil? Could it be to avoid leaving a metered record of its power consumption which would be way out of proportion with their supposed activities on the site? Mains gas and electricity are metered while oil could be ordered from all number of suppliers. Spare these fuckheads from the cold, send them home to the warmth of mother russia.

rogber · 05-04-2022 09:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118881108#Comment_118881108

I listened to that podcast too. Was quite good, much better than the ones with Harari and Kasparov

realdanbreen · 05-04-2022 09:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882191#Comment_118882191

Brilliant! Hopefully a few more suppliers/providers will follow suit.

Boggles · 05-04-2022 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882160#Comment_118882160

Time for Pharma to pull out of Russia and stop exports.

The morale obligation argument is done and dusted.

listermint · 05-04-2022 09:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882169#Comment_118882169

Interesting, home heating oil has dropped week on week for the last three weeks due to increase in supply.

Dyr · 05-04-2022 09:47AM

Seeing confirmation in Twitter that the video of Ukranian Marines surrendering in Mariupol is kosher

Boggles · 05-04-2022 09:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882462#Comment_118882462

Confirmation by whom?

Hobgoblin11 · 05-04-2022 09:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882462#Comment_118882462

the south is lost

Francie Barrett · 05-04-2022 09:57AM

https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/status/1511098952933945347

Mark Hertling seems to think that Ukraine will defeat Russia in Donbass, just like it did at Kyiv.

It looks like the next major offensive planned by the Russians could be the decisive one. They're going to patch together everything they have left in one final attempt to break Ukraine. Given their manpower issues and loss of equipment, it looks like this is their last chance to win.

For the first time, I've decided to donate directly to the Ukraine military. I had sent an e-mail to my local TD's asking that Ireland find a way to send support to Ukraine, but got a weasel non-answer. If they're not going to do anything, then I am, even if it's only a token small amount. I really do think Europe needs to stop Putin in Ukraine, if he doesn't, all we're doing is kicking the can down the road.

Anyone can find ways to donate to the Ukraine military by using this link https://kyivindependent.com/national/heres-how-to-support-ukrainian-military/

Podge_irl · 05-04-2022 09:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882423#Comment_118882423

Distillates, gasoline and crude itself are all down over the last few weeks. There are very specific problems with Jet on the east coast of the US as they normally rely partly on imports from Europe which are not coming at the moment. Jet supplies are also low in general due to the decrease in demand over the previous couple of years.

It is a temporary problem and the record prices are very localised. We certainly won't be seeing diesel restrictions

05-04-2022 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882404#Comment_118882404

It seems that they really have sent some of their greatest dregs of society into this war.

Perseverance The Second · 05-04-2022 10:00AM

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1511260336262983682

Australia-made Bushmaster vehicles with Ukrainian markings were seen being transported to a local airfield.

Wibbs · 05-04-2022 10:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882078#Comment_118882078

Fantastic series and a must watch IMHO. It's one I'd put on the school curriculum.

People who dealt with and interviewed important nazis after WW2 noted a couple of psychopaths among them, but they were the minority. The top nazis with few exceptions were also of above average intelligence and seemingly "civilised" men with a few "charming" types among them. The further down the chain the more "normal" the men and women tended to get. Hitler and his minions knew this and used it too. They chanelled the psychos into concentrated areas like death squads and those who weren't psychos and objected were rarely punished, they were simply moved out into other areas. Russian leaders like Stalin back then and putin now being clumsy and primitive in response would have thrown them out windows, but the Germans were more subtle and clever about it and horrific too.

One of the reasons for evolution of The Final Solution to industrialised extermination camps was the Nazi leadership recognised very early on that most of their men even with all the nazi propaganda about subhuman rats couldn't take to mass murdering unarmed civilians with bullets and throwing them into pits and it was affecting morale. It was more "efficient" to create an industry where the bloody sharp end required a small number of men and women and they could fill those positions with eager psychos and keep it away from the "normal" Germans who could pretend to not really know what was going on and carry on their normal lives. But how could they!! Well, most of us reading this including myself like our steaks and rashers, but how many of that most of us would be OK with physically killing and butchering the cow and pig to get it? We distance ourselves from that nearly every day.

And yes civilisation is a thin veneer alright and ironically people will become very uncivilised to protect it, or more to the point their version of it. That's a very good thing if their version is democracy and freedom, a very bad thing when it's not, but the scary part is the bad will be more so believed and harshly defended as the good. It's one easy way to spot the bad. Today's Russia and yes a too large percentage of today's Russians being a perfect example. Another way to spot the bad is the lack of dissenting voices and nuance to the WE are always right and good, THEY are always wrong and bad credo. Again Russia and too many Russians are a perfect example of this too. Those screaming about putinbots and whataboutery everywhere would do well to remember that. If this were Boards.ru you'd see no Zelenskyybots and read no whataboutery.

We like the comfort of believing in monsters and by god they do exist, but the vast majority of people who follow monsters are just like you and me. It's more comforting to believe them to be monsters too. The vast majority of people just want to grow up build a life for themselves and their families, but those basic positive human desires can be twisted to horrific negative purpose so terribly easily. That's the chilling part we rarely like to acknowledge.

Wibbs · 05-04-2022 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118882249#Comment_118882249

Good point Alias, very good point.

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