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Orban party Fidesz wins election in Hungary

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Crazy in an EU country (though not sure Morning Ireland is gospel 😂)

    Surprised no intervention there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado


    This has to be a wind-up, surely? The irony, myopia and hypocrisy here is laughable. Your boy Trump has spent 16 of the last 16 months complaining the election was rigged. His supporters stormed government buildings using the 'rigging' as an attempt to stage a coup. So, tell us, who are the 'usual suspects'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭whatchagonnado


    If anyone could articulate the negatives of the EU and make a strong case for a regression, then perhaps. But nobody can. The intellectual heavyweights of Brexit spent 5 years trying and the best they could come up with was blue passports and selling apples in lbs and ozs.

    The EU is a convenient bogey-man. Unfortunately, 'look how much better off you would all be if it wasn't for those pesky pen-pushers (who you voted for) in Brussels', is an easy sell, that has no basis in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Brussels should send a copy of Article 50 to his office daily for the next 4 years.

    Sign it and fúck off, not a cent more for Putin Lite.

    It's high time these dangerous fuckwíts were dealt with hastily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Diet Putin

    In fairness Hungary aren't invading Slovakia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The 'rules of the club' are always up for discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Absolutely, they may advocate to change them via the democratic institutions in the EU. It's funny though, that they had to accept the eu rule of law to gain accession to the union, so why do they have a problem with it now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,851 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    That the most pro-EU countries won't hold a continent-wide referendum with your simple 10 word question is hardly a negative - it seems completely sensible to me to not have such a clusterfcuk of a question put to the people. "Go back to the EEC model rather than further unification" seems about as poor a proposition as could be put a vote (even ignoring that it's nonbinary and needs three possible answers with 'stay as we are rather than either of the listed options').

    It's the sort of question that would need about 200 tonnes of supporting documentation to explain what 'the older EEC model' would actually mean and what timescale it could be achieved in. People may be quite surprised with what they lose out on when the rules go back to some undefined point in time within the 30 year lifespan of the EEC, whose rules were continually evolving over it's lifetime anyway. And a continent wide vote is bizarre as well - like are we deciding on a simple majority of votes, or a majority of countries, or weighted voting.

    And the biggest kicker - it's not actually needed. The UK exit proved that the EU isn't actually a prison. If the French people want some form of 'out' then they have a starting point of voting for Le Pen. An impending famille Le Pen presidency has been promised pretty much since 1984 though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 778 ✭✭✭Stewball


    RTE have pissed off every party in the country, but only one party gets an apology afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He's also gerrymandered electoral districts so they are almost impossible to beat. Ranked at 92 on RSF World Press Freedom Index just a few places above Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    It's actually very simple. The voters are being blackmailed.

    Only the 'good' regions get government payments. If you don't vote correctly, the government money dries up in your area.

    A GRUDGING VOTE FOR FIDESZ IN HUNGARY’S POOREST REGIONS


    Yet Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg has pioneered other forms of electoral abuse, many of them well documented by the independent media. One is simple: buying the votes of, often, Roma people for cash or food. One phrase sums this up: eladni a szavazatot egy zsák krumpliért, meaning “selling votes for one sack of potatoes”.

    The other one is bit more sophisticated.

    “Imagine 10 poor people and someone approaching them and saying to each: here’s 5,000 forints,” explains Bernath, who was a member of several election commissions and claims to have witnessed this practice many times.

    “They all are taken by bus to vote. The first one enters a polling station, picks up their ballot, but throws an empty envelope into the box. Instead, he fills out the ballot outside the station and hands it to the next bribed member of the chain, who votes exactly the same way.” The essence is that whoever organises the chain controls how everybody votes in the patron-client scheme.




  • Posts: 821 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This sound vaguely familiar. Mail-in ballots without ID???

    Sound familiar.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    People may be quite surprised with what they lose out on when the rules go back to some undefined point in time within the 30 year lifespan of the EEC

    Do you think? Would the 2008 crash have happened if Ireland could have been in charge of it's own interest rates? Do you think the single currency has been a success for Ireland? Would our national debt have swelled to the extent it has? Would our cost of living be so high?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Yeah, the world really needs more leaders who love Putin and hate gays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭theteal


    My Hungarian colleague tells me he lost heavily in Budapest but the rest of the country "followed blindly" (his words)

    After a quick search, sheesh

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Post like this show you do not know much about Hungary and Hungarians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,580 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Duplicate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,580 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,117 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It really isn't a surprise at all, I'd say EU leadership have a dose of indigestion this evening. I'd say there's only one thing thats stopped Orban pulling out of the EU and it's the Likelyhood he'd bankrupt Hungary if he did. Another vile individual rejoicing this evening will be his close buddy, Putin.

    Post edited by Dempo1 on

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    And yet they'll still push to allow the even more nationalist Serbs into the Union, and then pull a surprised Pikachu face when they show their true colours....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,117 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yep your 100% correct. Orban has been re elected democratically and its alarming. I don't know we're the EU is heading but it's certainly looking a fractious few years ahead. There's a growing far right movement across the EU and it's very concerning.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,851 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    That all seems pretty unrelated to your idea of having an EU wide referendum with an oddly worded question, with no explanation of how the votes are counted nor any explanation of how a vote 'to go back' could be binding on those countries who vote for 'going forward' or indeed vote for status quo.

    But to answer your questions to the best of my ability (and with zero clue how they relate to your referendum idea which I would have loved to see you tease out).

    *********

    Would the crash have happened if we could set our own interest rates? Probably, as there is scant evidence to suggest countries with that ability were able to avoid the crash.

    Single currency a success for Ireland? Moderately so.

    Would our national debt have swelled to the extent it has? The total would certainly be less, though the interest payments would be tougher - having to both borrow and subsequently re-pay in a foreign currency at rates (fx and interest) that could fluctuate wildly.

    Would our cost of living be so high? Probably lower, though a lot of the factors which influence our cost of living are external (price of oil/gas, shipping costs etc).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Since this shyte kicked off in Ukraine - what have the EU done to protect it's citizens from the spiralling costs of living that are going to bring untold poverty to Europe?

    Sweet F.A.

    The Italians are jumping up and down looking for an EU-wide energy price cap. No sign of it happening.

    But by fook if one of their beloved banks were to crash overnight, the EU would swoop in without a second to spare.

    The EU is a club - a fookin golf club where the richest of the rich and their political puppets play with our lives - with contempt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Couldnt help but wonder at what the European press were describing as an "anti-LGBTQ" that was contrary to "European Values" referendum actually was. Turns out it's the electorate being asked these five questions:


    Do you support the teaching of sexual orientation to underage children in public education institutions without parental consent?

    • Do you support the promotion of sex reassignment therapy for underage children?

    • Do you support the unrestricted exposure of underage children to sexually explicit media content that may affect their development?

    • Do you support the showing of sex-change media content to minors?

    • Do you support the availability of sex-change treatments for minors?


    If that referendum was run in mos EU countries, the answer to every question would be a resounding "NO"

    Perhaps "European Values" means making sure that the public never get to vote on such issues 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    If you're going to isolate countries that developed close relationships with Putin, Italy, Austria, Germany, France and Belgium will be outside the door with Orban

    Of course, Europhiles don't like admitting that Putins best buddy in Europe was their hero, Merkel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,117 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I wouldn't have thought Merkel close to Putin at all, I got a sense she despised the man and that was certainly obvious any time they met 🤔

    I don't know about isolating anyone , just pointing out there's an alarming rise in Right Wing support across Europe and Polands current leadership as alarming as Orban.

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    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,117 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I thought the only Party involving RTE, that got an apology was ...that impromptu going away party during Covid Restrictions , and the Grovelling apologies were quite enjoyable at the time 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    You would think that a referendum on judicial independence would be more important than worrying that teaching kids that gay and trans people exist will somehow turn all the kids "queer". But hey, maybe I have my priorities wrong.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,810 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    From a historial PoV, that this week marks the centenary of the passing of the last Hapsburg Emperor (Karl II) suggests that the destruction of the Austro-Hungarian Empire has been a disaster for the human race: A.E.I.O.U.



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