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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The elephant in the room of course is we're looking at this from "our" side. It's entirely possible, I'd even say probable that a large percentage, even a majority of Russian people support this war and putin. There seems to be enough of them out there living in Western countries where they have all the access they want to Western sources and still support putin and Russia in all of this. It would be my personal opinion that there is no "people's revolution" in Russia happening any time soon. Like you say even if there were they'd have little chance and that any change is likely to come from his oligarchs/lords/boyars and/or the army. The sanctions and the hit to their pockets could rev up the former, I fear the latter will need far more Russian soldier's deaths before they start to twitch. Soviet/Russian leaders have always feared the army. All autocrats do as they're about the only layer of government that have the power to. Because of that successive leaders have somewhat weakened the army and its generals by appointing political and connected people and getting rid of any get too big or too popular. You don't see that to nearly the same extent in democracies in history.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    With Russia moving their troops.. Probably to the east, The west (Europe) should form a peace keeping force and move in from the west so that Ukranian forces can be freed up to fight in the East.


    Just take the opportunity now that the momentum is there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    From the Guardian:

    Devastating reports have been coming out of the cities in the Kyiv region that were retaken by Ukrainian forces: bodies in the streets. Destruction. Reports of Russian troops using children as shields.

    Anatoly Fedoruk, mayor of Bucha, told AFP that the city has already buried 280 people in a mass grave. Corpses littered the streets, he said, some as young as 14 years old. “All these people were shot, killed, in the back of the head,” Fedoruk said.

    Many of the bodies had white bandages on them “to show that they were unarmed,” he said.

    In the village of Novyi Bykiv, about 100 miles north of Kyiv, coaches of children were said to have been placed in front of tanks. “Cases of using children as cover are recorded in Sumy, Kyiv, Chernihiv, Zaporizhzhia oblasts [regions],” said Lyudmila Denisova, Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @[Deleted User]

    Isn't it how the UK got dragged into WW11.

    The UK got dragged into WW11 by the Sheepsqueezers of Splatticon 5 attempting to exert control over the Isle of Man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Yes, this is the best opportunity to do something like that since the weeks before the war.

    I sincerely hope the US hasn't been putting off such action in order to allow Russian forces to be progressively more weakened and to further stall the point from which Russian forces can begin to rebuild.

    Either way, now is the time to call Putin's bluff by entering Ukraine and proceeding step by step towards the Eastern border. The caveat being that peacekeeping/medical/rebuilding personnel will be protected by lethal force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    It's absolutely disgusting. The pictures are shocking. The Russian army are absolute scum as are all those who support what they are doing. Fcuk them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,458 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    All of this will be going before the international war crimes people - they are gathering evidence as we speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seen the videos and pictures coming out of Bucha , they are horrendous , someone needs to pay for what has done to the Ukrainian people , Russia needs to reap what it sowed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    I've seen those videos and pictures too. I really wish I didn't but it's important that they're out there.

    Something has to be done. It's beyond depraved. "Never again" just keeps on happening.



  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    Is there room for Mick Wallace and Clare Daly as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    A Rather interesting find at the recaptured Hostomel Airport

    Not only are the Russian's doing a bad job of covering up registry numbers.

    But they have sent some very unique aerial units into the frontline

    >This destroyed helicopter is the Mi-8AMTSh RF-91285, it belonged to the Klin-5 squadron of the RuAF, delivered in 2013. Klin-5 is the experimental unit and it under the "344th Center Of Combat Application And Retraining" directorate. RuAF have sent the elite in Hostimel.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,166 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    You know the word that came into my head when I read your post where you mentioned all males of one town ? Srebrenica and Jesus that’s a chilling thought.



  • Posts: 2,015 [Deleted User]


    I like this version better from Russias number one propganda channel.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,059 ✭✭✭thomil


    I try to remain as rational and detached as possible with regards to the Ukraine war, as hopefully comes across in my posts. But the stuff I'm seeing coming out of Bucha is just horrific. I don't see how there can ever be peace with Russia after seeing that level of butchery!

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    Don't know if this has already been mentioned.

    Russian soldiers visiting a post office in Belarus to send items looted in Ukraine to Russia.

    Mostly mobile phones and jewellery.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's absolutely unbelievable the levels of depravity the Russians are sinking to. What decade do they think we're living in? It's not the kind of thing that can be swept under the rug anymore. It's almost instantly frontpage news, once uncovered. Even if it's one platoon going mad, the Russian government must come out and condemn it. It would at least be something, but they probably won't because it would mean having to admit they were wrong.

    The Americans committed similar atrocities in Vietnam by targeting civilians, but in that case it was roundly condemned domestically and abroad, and that whole stupid war protested against. Russia has a hell of a lot of catching up to do in terms of ethics. The West doesn't want that knuckle-dragging, merciless, strongman mentality that's undoubtedly fuelling these kinds of actions. It's that mentality that makes Russia a 2nd class power anyway, and a kip vs. what it could be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    The country needs to pay. Not just Putin and the commanders on the ground.

    As it's a nuclear country, invasion is out of the question but isolating them, even if it means them becoming China's b*tch, could work. Let them have North Korean living standards. This attack on Ukraine is widely supported in Russia so having the whole country take the consequences for this isn't unreasonable in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,166 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I happened to one video and stopped it once I realised what was shown. If that’s confirmed then Jesus Christ that’s horrific in the 21st century.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,458 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's horrendous publicity for them in any event. Every country in the West is leading nightly with stories of war crimes, barbarism and atrocities by the regime. If you're losing the info war to this degree, you're already in big trouble. We're almost certainly going to see an arrest warrant being issued soon for Putin as a major war criminal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Three weeks ago I said Russia was perpetrating a genocide and was laughed at. Perhaps now people might want to start waking up that yes, they are indeed committing a genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    It's obvious looking at the pictures and reports coming out of the suburbs of Kyiv especially around Bucha that Russia needs to be dealt with. Imho the West need to arm the Ukrainians with everything they need to push the invaders out of all their territories and once that happens be prepared to send in peacekeeping forces to ensure the Russians don't return.

    I don't believe Putin will be alive for war crimes trials but those who were in positions of power and influence including the nutters on Russia's propaganda TV need to face justice and no sanctions should be removed until this has been achieved.

    Russia should no longer be part of the international community until the Nazism that has taken control of their society is purged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick


    @mcmoustache - As it's a nuclear country, invasion is out of the question...


    We don't have to invade Russia, but we should now send in the troops and planes to Ukraine and obliterate Putin's forces. He wont have the excuse that we were threatening Russian territory, but if he resorts to nuclear strikes then it simply means he was always intending to use them. We shouldn't just sit around and wait and see any longer. Our lack of courage is simply emboldening him, and he's going to carry on mass killing civilians, and probably use chemical weapons next if his campaign stutters and stalls much further.

    Do we stand by and watch these atrocities unfold for days more, weeks more, months more, or what...?

    Enough is enough.

    I say send the lads in now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,099 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Remember. Clare Daly and Mick Wallace were the useful Irish idiots who were apologists for what has happened here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,832 ✭✭✭threeball


    Wouldn't have happened if the west had done the right thing on day one and put Putin back on his hole. Instead they dithered and waged a proxy war using the ukranian people to give Russia a bloody nose with no cost to themselves but financial.

    I said it in the first week of the war, some things are worth facing down a nuclear strike over and genocide, especially where children is concerned is one of them. We let the Russians do this and now we'll ring our hands, spend days ruminating over it on shy and CNN whilst letting it continue in the Donbass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Fucckingg hell !!! That is horrible… I keep up to date with what’s going on in Ukraine but it pretty much unimaginable from comfortable Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Agree with you 100%. If the west had faced Russia down in 2014 this would not have happened. We didn't so now we have to deal with them and given the crimes being uncovered should involved western forces getting involved by initiating air operations over Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    The west cant stand by…. Send everything in to the Ukraine….. those Russians need to pay



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