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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,425 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Hamilton beat Russell in fp1, fp2 and fp3. Toto said that it was a setup that didn't work for qualifying, and looks like they stuck with it on Sunday.


    In Bahrain Hamilton was beaten in each practice session, but did better in qualifying and the race.


    From our massive sample of 2 races, looks like they're relatively close together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Fp sessions don't really count towards anything, the set-ups were very close from what Andrew Shovlin said, so it is not like they are polar opposites. You are probably right that it is close, but yesterday was not close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,045 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    With a sample set of 2 races, you halve it to one race and say Russell is getting more out of the car? I think you can say Russell had one better weekend than Hamilton. But I don't think you can make a case that either is getting more out of the car when it's a draw in quali and race after only 2 races.

    You could make the declaration that you have to say russell is getting more out of the car based on bias, just not on evidence. If you're going by evidence then you'd have to say there's little evidence and it's mixed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Bias? If I use the evidence so far, Russell beat Hamilton by 5 places yesterday, Lewis beat him by 1 in Bahrain. If you just say one got the better of the other without looking at the results, then it is a draw, if you look at the performances it shows a more detailed picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,005 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    It’s not possible to have any real insight only two races in as to who is doing better! Ham had a bad weekend, happens to everyone! And luck was against him with the pit stop too! Prob could have got P8 had he been able to pit when he wanted. I agree with the other poster that confirmation bias may be playing a role in that view! We’ll come back to it after 5 races and maybe you’ll be proven correct, who knows!!! But it’s way to early to tell now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,119 ✭✭✭This is it


    Any thoughts on Sainz and LeClerc? LeClerc looking slightly quicker all round. Qualifying, finishing position and managed to grab fastest lap in both races too.

    I agree with the above, it's too early to confirm anything after just two races but LeClerc is looking really good and so far has the beating of Sainz.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Leclerc is faster but more prone to silly mistakes so come the end of the season they could end up pretty close just like last season.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 61,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I wonder how much the drs zones will come in to play considering the shenanigans yesterday. Now I'm an amateur observer so I don't remember where the lines are on other tracks but the braking moves yesterday were comical but potentially dangerous if more cars were around



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Here's the thing though, if the cars can follow as closely as we've seen, why do we need DRS? Surely then it's down to straight line speed, grip, when the move is made, and who brakes last.

    DRS was a solution to a problem that doesn't seem to exist now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,425 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Ya, I've been trying to rationalise keeping drs now, and I can't come up with a valid reason. With drs it now rewards drivers for being behind another racer at specific points. It doesn't help them, but actively rewards them.


    Either tweak the rules (Wtf1 suggested things like a driver only gets 1 drs per lap even if there are multiple drs zones, or a specific number of uses per lap) or remove it now...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,558 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    I think Leclerc is a better driver than Sainz, Leclerc is probably the one ferrari would back. Sainz is more consistent, solid and just goes about his business scoring points but Leclerc is faster,will win races, more aggressive when it comes to battling other drivers but he's also prone to a stupid mistake maybe a bit too much. It's very early days but looking like it's going to be Sainz vs Checo for 3rd place might be where the constructors is won or lost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,045 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    But that doesn't equate to "you have to say russell is getting more out of the car that Hamilton" as you said earlier. They're 1-1 and , more importantly, there have only been 2 races so it's way too early to tell. You really don't have to say say one or the other is getting more from the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,045 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    LeClerc has had 2 better weekends than sainz. Thats for sure. The narrative seems to be that leclerc is faster but more peaky and liable to make mistakes and sainz is more consistent. I probably agree. I also think leclerc is a bit more ruthless.

    Sainz is no joke though. It'll be great to see them battle this season. Hopefully sainz can pull level with leclerc but I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Why can't I say that when Russell got a better result with the exact same car yesterday? It is 1-1 as you out it, but Russell finished 5 positions ahead of Hamilton and out qualified him in the same machinery. So yeah, Russell is getting more out of the car, based on the results so far, and the time difference with those results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    It could be reminiscent of Button and Barrichello as teammates at Honda then Brawn. Rubens beat Jenson comfortably in the very slow Honda in 2008, and even in the second half of 2009 he outperformed Button when the car was less on the pace. But when the Brawn was the fastest car in the first half of 2009 Button was just untouchable leading from the front and that's why he won the championship.

    I feel we're seeing similar here - Sainz is better at getting a clean race in a crowded midfield and getting consistent results, but in clean air at the front with a well handling car, Leclerc just has the edge. This was the case all last year with Charles getting the headlines and big results in the races where the Ferrari was very competitive, while Carlos plugged away under the radar across the whole season to come out on top in the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Look, just shut up and let us have our "Hamilton is sh*t and we have proof" moment. 😋

    Post edited by flazio on

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,045 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah you win, everyone has to say russell is getting more out of the car than Hamilton. You win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    They're very unlikely to completely remove it any time soon, but they should certainly be looking at the positioning of DRS zones at upcoming tracks. If the detection point for the main straight at Saudi was after the exit of the final turn and then the activation point was a little further along the main straight you'd have gotten less tactics around trying to be behind and more cars coming into turn 1 side by side.

    That's basically how DRS zone 3 at Saudi worked and it was perfect - there were no detection tactics because the detection zone was on a fast section where losing momentum would have cost more time than the DRS gain, then it was long enough for cars to get into the final hairpin side by side but not long enough for a straightforward overtake before the turn (unless the other guy let you past to get the next DRS...)

    All that said, even with the tactics it was a spectacular battle to watch for the lead so it's not like the DRS ruined it, the tactics just added another layer of skill in many ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    So DRS still has a role to play, according to Max. He said he wouldn't have got past without it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,346 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    This mercedes sim driver says their issues are stemming from them not being able to run the car as low as they'd like due to the porpoising.


    Edit: this girl asks really good questions, I think she's a great addition to sky


    Post edited by MadYaker on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Ant is right, he also mentioned on the coverage that they also can't replicate it in the sim or wind tunnel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,346 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    His diagnosis was sad, he went out on his own terms, hard to blame him considering the alternative.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,903 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Looks more legit than original



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    What commentator and channel is that? Its not Sky anyway. Is it American?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,795 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I see it's Lewis Hamiltons brothers Birthday or was on Monday. He is 30 now.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,625 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Otmar Schnaffhaur was talking to Crofty from the Alpine pitwall when the accident happened.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,558 ✭✭✭PsychoPete




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,606 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Perfect venue for F1, both as shallow and fake as each other.



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