F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118863075#Comment_118863075

Lol

Hijpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118863075#Comment_118863075

Lol I'm taking that

Itssoeasy

I’m probably letting nostalgia for F1 get in the way but is anyone else annoyed at what the third American race could mean ?

quokula

I don't see a problem with the Vegas race. The US is a huge country with about 75% of the population of the EU (which hosts, what, 10 races?) and Vegas is about as far from Miami as Spa is from Baku. I'll reserve judgement on the layout until we see it in action as you never know from a map, but it does look to me like there will be overtaking opportunities so I'm sure it's possible that it could make for a fine race. Street circuits do tend to produce interesting races when you look at Baku, Singapore or the recent Saudi events. I guess Sochi would be the counter argument, and a lot of people will point to Monaco although I always enjoy that race as it provides a different kind of challenge.

I do question how these high speed street circuits that keep getting added to the calendar make sense from a safety point of view though. Traditional tracks get acres of tarmac runoff because gravel is considered too dangerous and chicanes get put in to keep speeds down, meanwhile you have multiple new and recent circuits that feature some of the highest speeds on the whole calendar while they're next to concrete walls, it doesn't seem to add up.

muckwarrior

I've no issue with another American race so long as it doesn't mean one of the classic races being bumped from the calendar. Unfortunately though, that's much more likely to happen than some crappy desert venue losing its place.

Dont be at yourself

It's France on the chopping block supposedly, which is no big loss.

I don't necessarily have a problem with street tracks. I love the jeopardy of Monaco qualifiying, and Singapore works as a track, and as a spectacle under the lights, etc.

But there's a trend creeping in with Baku, Jeddah and now Vegas to emphasize long straights and speed above all else, and I think there comes a point where they get a bit samey.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866741#Comment_118866741

Joe saward says the Monaco contract is up after this year. Last one was signed with Bernie and they got it cheap because of it's prestige. Now Liberty has about 30 tracks willing to pay to host a race, so hopefully Liberty asks Monaco to pay the going rate, Monago gets the hump and refuses and F1 no longer has to go to that completely unsuitable F1 track anymore.

He also said that France and Germany might start alternating races which would mean half as many Paul Ricards

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866909#Comment_118866909

But those are street circuits where cars can actually ovretake. The best thing about street circuits is the barriers and the closeness of the cameras to the cars. Those circuits offer that but they also offer a decent race with overtaking.

PsychoPete

I'd happily get rid of Monaco for Nurburgring

ShamoBuc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118867699#Comment_118867699

Absolutely.

mickdw

Can't see Monaco being dropped.

Perhaps the new cars will creat an overtaking chance or 2.

Surely out of the tunnel into chicane will be a bigger opportunity now and also the start finish straight.

flazio

The only way Monaco gets dropped is if all the classified finishers are in the exact same position as where they started. Only the Belgian Grand Prix 2021 achieved that.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873670#Comment_118873670

Maybe we'll have an overtaking chance or 2...

Isn't thst the most damning indictment of the track and best argument for shaking hands and parting ways you could have imagined?

Thet way we could celebrate its history with rose tinted glasses and not have to endure the worst race of the year in Monaco every year.

muckwarrior

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873696#Comment_118873696

Dude, it's not even May yet. Please at least wait until near the race before subjecting us to your annual anti-Monaco diatribe.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874850#Comment_118874850

Never too early to start.

mickdw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873696#Comment_118873696

I'd miss Monaco.

It's a great event and quali is mega.

The race can be a procession but hopefully this year should be better.

duploelabs

With the present size of the cars, Monaco isn't feasible. If they adjusted the track a bit to allow some more passing opportunities for the larger cars, then it'd be a goer

GoldFour4

Monaco could be turned into something different. A mid season time trial or something. It’s essentially that at the moment anyway given the lack of overtaking opportunities.

recyclebin

They need to start alternating tracks every second year instead of wiping some of the classics tracks off the calendar altogether. Too many new tracks with no history or character. Too many street circuits too. I see Vegas is being funded and run by F1 themselves so no promoter fee. Makes you wonder have they run out of dodgy dictators/regimes to pay hosting fees?

AMKC

Going back a while but proof that you can pass in Monaco,

https://youtu.be/qXkKBfjO0-g

featuring the late Jules Bianchia.

This is it

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118876676#Comment_118876676

That's certainly not a good advertisement for it 😂

flazio

I remember Max Vertsappens first Monaco for Toro Rosso, he was getting lapped by Sebastian Vettel so what he decided to to was keep close to Vettel and pass rivals as they got lapped by Vettel. I think it worked twice or three times before getting to Grosjean and crashing out into turn 1.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118876688#Comment_118876688

Going back a decade to prove overtaking is possible... but I think this is supposed to be an argunent in Monaco's favour, if you can believe that. Presumably there are always one or 2 overtakes per year in Monaco. Like when a really fast car ends up behind a backmarker.

I mean, Monaco is jealous of Paul Ricard's overtaking opportunities.

kksaints

At this stage particularly with the size of the cars this season, I'd set up Monaco as a sort of a time trial event. The track is clearly unsuited for overtaking and unless reliability issues are more common this year it's a very dull race.

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877335#Comment_118877335

Yeah the size of the cars is a bit catch 22. They need to be the cutting edge of motorsport technology in order to be relevant, but that makes them bigger and totally unsuitable to a place like Monaco.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877335#Comment_118877335

When the qualification is more exciting than the actual race, it's a cart before the horse situation

MadYaker

Monaco is going nowhere. The race crap but that’s not relevant.

eviltimeban

Exactly. Monaco is a chance for the rich, yacht owning, white trousers wearing, Euro jet set to get together and show off their wealth. The fact that a bunch of cars are racing around the streets doesn't really matter.

I wonder however if the residents of Monaco would be happy to not have the race anymore? I imagine it causes some amount of chaos shutting the place down and getting all the stands put up etc. Though they are probably used to it by now.

Saying all that, I like watching Monaco. I like seeing the same camera angles and shots that were used 40 years ago, not much has changed.

mickdw

It takes 6 months of the year for Monaco to build up then remove the GP facilities.

It's not so much chaos as having learned to live with it pretty much continuously.

ShamoBuc

Monaco was always a very hard place to pass but with the new cars it will be slightly harder. It might be possible to widen the course in a few places and this probably should have been done long before now.

I do like knowing the course probably better than any other but as a race, it is one of the most boring really, which is a real pity. One of the most iconic but as a racing spectacle, it fails to deliver too often I think.