Let's all start growing Grain!?

I think it might depend on your parcels for SFP/BPS

If you have all one parcel, and last year had 1ha of barley, and this year planned to have 1ha of barley, albeit in a different ha - then you wouldn’t get paid.

But if it were a different parcel this year, you would get paid…

Thats my read of it - I could be wrong…

Are they? I didn’t think they were, but maybe…

Someone more learned than me will have to guide you Jimbo…

I was going to ask a similar question..would anybody care to take a stab at breaking down the costs of sowing a cereal crop per hectare..not a clue here of seed costs, spray requirements or even fertiliser to use. The other issue I'd have is storing it on farm, although several tillage farmers and grain merchants in my area that store grain.

growing grain and near 100% of work relying on contractors isnt a runner imho,we have done it in the past and barring a long spell of dry weather over the harvest and spring its very difficult get all your ducks in a row

will be sowing red clover here into some silage ground where the grass is gone thin and some standard 1 cut and graze mix into another plot,main focus will be growing grass here and reducing the amount of meal being fed cattle and sheep

The latest we planted oats for wholecropping was the 1st week of June and wholecropped it in September

I' tempted to do a 15 acre field that was in Barley about 70 years ago! I was told that I could go with Oats or Barley and under sow it with grass/clover mix. I have no clue about this really but my thinking is I'd get the field reseeded with a little help from the Gov.

Also does the scheme force you to harvest the grain or could it be put into a pit?

So could one avail of the scheme and undersow grass with an oat or barley crop with the sole aim of reseeding land and the bonus of having grain and straw at the back end to to sell or maybe even a pit of wholecrop? Establish it using the minimum fertiliser and spray even if it results in below average yields but save money and have your land reseeded by the government?

What option has the man that wants meal next winter and can’t grow anything for himself have. Could they buy barley off the combine next autumn and crimp it/roll it. Try and buy wholecrop/maize. What price will barley or maize silage be?

Was there any mention in the scheme of being able to sow in the wbc and not be in bother with glas.

Every field here for years was reseeded as an undersown crop .All spring barley with grass seed sown shortly after the corn with a grass barrow .Never had a problem although corn yield would be reduced a small bit due to using less N . Problem ok if lodges and a wet harvest .Those times it was weed spray and half rate disease spray in a tank mix and close the gate till harvest .

Would have slightly upped P and K rate but nothing dramatic .It was the common practice around here for years but has gone out of fashion for a few reasons .Mainly due to the fact that most drystock/dairy farms have almost totally dropped cereal growing plus the fact that trying to grow 2 crops together means that corn yield is usually compromised .

Done an arable silage reseed one year when it was eligible for area aid .From memory was a barley peas grass mix .Great silage bales but had to be used within 6 months as the few that were left collapsed after that .Would have been baled with a non chopper welger rp12 so perhaps a modern baler might make a better fist of it .

Is €300/T last year's barley price or this year's predicted price? Surely the price farmers get paid for grain will rise in line with the shortage that's expected. It would certainly want to anyway. How can the government expect farmers to plant extra land to meet demand of they're not going to profit from it. A price guarantee or a contract might be the convincing factor. Time is running out by the day to come up with a realistic plan anyway.

was Half thinking of growing barley but am now thinking instead of maybe growing something like turnips to outwinter sheep in. Only fertiliser I have is 18 6 12. Ph is 6.1 and 2 for p and 3 for k. Anyone any experience or costings on it?

Can you get seed from Wales now?