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  • Posts: 10,222 [Deleted User]


    I never said they aren't getting their story out. I wouldn't censor or ban their **** propaganda. Present it as it is, even with the banner of "this is russian television as presented. Please be aware that it contains propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,549 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You said multiple times we are only getting one side of the story.

    That is absolutely false as I have explained to you now several times.

    RT is still available if you want to watch, not hard to get it. It's a complete work of fiction, but that's important something something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,919 ✭✭✭GM228




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Perseverance The Second




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,165 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    What is being said IS just propaganda ffs.


    You keep saying you want to hear the propaganda but then try to deny it a few words later.


    The oddest part of it all is that the propaganda actually is readily available anyway if you look.


    You're having an absolute mare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭Polar101


    The Russian justification for the attack is purely fictional, so it makes sense that any endings will be fictional as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭technocrat


    If you agree propaganda isn't a good idea then why do you want to hear it?



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Find it a bit ironic that posters who have spent years on here saying that people from places like Syria and their kids should be left to drown at sea are suddenly worried about Russian babies not having baby formula from a company, while also ignoring the fact that that Russia deciding not to export fertiliser or grain is going to have large effects on babies and kids in the other countries that they spend years bashing on here.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The difference is that was Afghanistan before, during and after the Russians, and the Americans, and anyone else who tried to rule it. It's always been a conglomeration of valleys and regions controlled by warlords, roughly bound together by faith and a shifting notion of being Afghani, pulled together by any invader who tries their luck. Inside of Kabul where it looked different for a time depending on the imported warlords, that was the norm beyond and the norm it has always reset to. That's one very big reason why they have been near unconquerable for a couple of thousand years.

    Ukraine is quite different on pretty much every level. Warlords when present have become governments, extremist ideologies have either been fringe or the mainstream and over the last ten years the extremists have become less popular not more*. Tribalism is down to those of Russian background or Ukrainian and outside flashpoints like Donbas they're often so mixed up together good luck in separating them. Literacy is very high at near 100%(Afghanistan is more like 30%), so unless there was an unbeliveable cultural shift which isn't going to happen they're on par with every other European nation. And they're bilingual. They were like the other ex Soviet states economically, but have been improving there. Corruption which was always a problem has been tackled head on over the last five plus years and there have been improvements there too. Mass proliferation of weapons is about the only comparison that bears much weight, which tends to happen in a war anyway.




    *which makes a bigger farce of putin's going in to clear out nazis ballsology. Ukraine was far more far right and neo nazi when his goons were in power and would ya look at that; he didn't invade then.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Very telling how you describe what the Soviets did as an "intervention".

    It is not a civil war.

    You see this is the mindset of Putin who sees the Ukrainians as Russians and not some different ethnic group that would like to have their own state and control their own destiny.

    How far did Dresden regress in a week or Hamburg?

    See above.

    He can destroy their cities, but it still won't be Afghanistan much as your may spout it trying to instill fear.

    You will claim the Ukrainians should just give up, basically bend over and take a reaming from Putin.

    Fooks sake what a sad and limited mindset that would forever lie down in the face of adversity.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,950 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06



    It doesn't seem to be most people's default setting on the Russian propaganda you think deserves a listen to counterbalance the 'unreliable' Western narrative. That is both sides.

    So how can we tell when you only seem to challenge specific 'Western narratives' or points like the supply of baby formula to Russia rather than any specific Russian actions.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    "Human Rights Watch this week released a report after interviewing 32 civilians who had escaped the city.

    "Mariupol residents have described a freezing hellscape riddled with dead bodies and destroyed buildings," said Belkis Wille, senior crisis and conflict researcher with the organisation.

    "And these are the lucky ones who were able to escape, leaving behind thousands who are cut off from the world in the besieged city.""

    Being aware of what people are currently experiencing in Mariupol - freezing, no food, no electricity no water no communications - probably 1,100 women and children dead and buried in the shelter under the deliberately targeted theatre alone. Likely tens of thousand dead in total; having seen photos of the multiple mass graves:

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    Having seen the photos of the bombed maternity hospital and the poor woman on the stretcher, clutching the wound of her bleeding and ripped apart hip:

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    and having read of the outcome of that brain searing image:

    "A pregnant woman who was injured when a maternity hospital in the Ukrainian city of Mariupol was bombed on Wednesday has died, along with her newborn baby, a surgeon who was treating her confirmed on Monday. 

    The surgeon, Timur Marin, told Ukrainian television from Mariupol: "While she was being resuscitated and the anti-shock measures were being taken, we performed a caesarean section and took a child with no signs of life. The child's resuscitation for more than half an hour did not work. Resuscitation of the mother for half an hour or more -- without any results. They both died."...medics did not have time to get the woman's name before her husband and father came to retrieve her body, so she did not end up in one of Mariupol's mass graves."

    And then I read about how you are concerned that 'innocent' Russians might suffer from sanctions and will Russian babies get their favourite formula or not, and my head is just spinning with the absolute WTF of cognitive dissonance.

    I'm asking myself, is this person even slightly aware of what has been happening in Ukraine: the war crimes, the human suffering the kidnappings, the numerous rapes; like the 17 year old girl who didn't survive the Russian troops gang raping her, the troops shooting people so they can steal their food, the young woman who died in a car riddled with bullets as she was taking food to feed the dogs and cats in an animal shelter she used to work at because she didn't want them to suffer; the mass forced deportations to Russia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I generally believe is what these folks actually mean is they wish more people would believe the propaganda that they themselves have gotten sucked into as it shapes their entire worldview.

    EU bad boooo.

    America completely bad regardless of subject booo.

    Brexit a demonstrable display of pure democracy in action nationalist freedom from shackles.

    Trump a man's man people warrior.


    Everyone else.... Sucked in by MSM and can't see the reaaal truth.


    Or something.


    Oh and Russia have genuine concerns for their safety......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    The head of the administration of the Kharkiv region, Oleh Syniehubov, informed that the Russians had fired on their own positions. "In the morning, the Russian helicopter 'worked out' its own positions, destroying a huge number of personnel and military equipment of the occupation forces in Mala Rohani. It was these occupiers who constantly fired on the city of Kharkiv," he stressed.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The differences again are very wide Sand. The Afghanis living beyond Kabul had feck all leccy, grew their own food, water came frrom wells and had none of the basic services we take for granted anyway. Over the years a village elder lad might have a gennie running of an evening to watch telly. No big loss if it went. Russia or America trying to bomb them into a preindustrial age? Well they were already quite content living there already, thanks very much.

    Ukrainians have much more to lose, not least their country. However the support for them in aid militarily and otherwise is near worldwide. In 1980 about the biggest deal for the USSR was not getting an invite to the Olympics and Western arms for the Afghanis took a much longer time to filter into the country. There's no way is thing going to go on for a decade. Afghanistan was Way Over There, Ukraine is Right Over Here, with people that look like the people with pretty much the most military and economic clout on the planet and they're loaning that to Ukraine and denying that to Russia.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    As reported by The Washington Post, citing the Pentagon, over the last 7-10 days US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin and Chief of Staff Mark Milley have tried to contact Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoygu and Chief of Staff Valery Gerasimov. However, Russian military leaders are not making contact, it underlined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,165 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If he just came out and said that you could at least say fair play for nailing his colours to a mast but the whole charade his is playing is mental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭zv2


    He may be kidnapping these people to use as bargaining chips in the peace talks.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,451 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The pro-Kremlin press are openly describing the Ukrainians as "neo-Nazis" in nearly every article. This wouldn't be at the hysterical end of the spectrum, it's pretty much the norm. The way they talk about Ukraine is quite shocking - an illegitimate bandit state full of fascists, drug users, terrorists, scoundrels, including its President. The way they are spinning it, they have gone in to put manners on these terrorist 'thugs' and to disarm them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Biden is asked if Ukraine should agree to lose part of its territory in exchange for peace. - This is something that Ukraine will judge. Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine. I don't think they have to do something like that, but it is their decision, says the US President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    G7 members said they would do anything to hold Russian President Vladimir Putin and his associates personally responsible for the invasion of Ukraine. In a statement released after the meeting in Brussels, we read: "We will spare no efforts to hold President Putin and the authors and supporters of this aggression, including the Alyaksandr Lukashenka regime in Belarus, responsible for their actions. We will do so together with our allies and partners from all over the world ".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    I don't know why so many people seem to be giving him a hard time.

    He's just interested to know what exactly is being said to the Russian people; which is a perfectly reasonable thing to want to know. Especially if you're aware what you're viewing is likely to contain propaganda you're not likely to be convinced by it in any case.

    I think it's also reasonable to question why media outlets are being banned outright in what is supposedly a free and democratic society; I mean it is precisely what Russia does and is actively doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭zv2


    "No one should have any doubts: Russia is here forever."

    Not if the sanctions remain 'forever'.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    The commanders of the two landing ships damaged by Ukrainian forces in Berdyansk are traitors to Ukraine, who in 2014 sided with the enemy, according to the Ukrainian Pravda, citing the Navy.

    "This is what happens when you hire traitors. They are weak, in 2014 they did not resist and took 30 silver coins, and today, thanks to their 'professionalism', two more BDKs have lost their fighting ability. We address these two traitors: you have the only chance to clear conscience, it is better to sink your ships yourself, we will even give you a reward for it "- wrote the Navy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭moby2101


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    This beast just took off from Shannon, huge noise over Limerick City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 810 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Its still freely available on twitter unfortunately.

    Just follow Lavrov or the Kremlin politburo for the very latest misinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Probably just the smaller Antonov that was parked up there today...... Wonderful machine



  • Posts: 10,222 [Deleted User]


    This baby formula thing seems to have gotten a lot of traction.

    A simple statement of opinion that I wouldn't criticise a company for supplying baby food to Russians seems to be a main sticking point for people who don't agree with me.

    It's almost as if people shouting that I was outraged and was claiming that russian children were starving or deserved Easter eggs was even remotely akin to something I actually said.

    And yes, western media is unreliable. Is it more unreliable than russian media? Not even close.

    Rinse and repeat lads. I said nothing even remotely along the lines that a few of you keep parroting is my opinion.

    **** sake lads, for people who are against propaganda, you certainly engage in it when it suits.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,499 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Donald Trump has his own thread. Maybe it’s time to give “Russia losing one brand of baby formula” it’s own thread too.



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