Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I imagine a time will come where that will happen to some extent.

But while there is citizens of other countries in Russia and some of these citizens are been snatched and imprisoned, it's wise to keep diplomatic channels open for their sakes.

I didnt advocate for "all out nuclear war" if you check btw

First time since that twat Gormley that I might be on a winner for still driving a petrol fueld tax collection station.

Agreed. But not a completely impossible scenario. And agreed it would have to be clandestine. I reckon the Japanese had no idea what was about to happen on the 6th of August 1945. I would also think there are now other possibilities than simply lobbing a load of nukes at known Russian silo or submarine locations and hoping to get them all.

I seriously wonder how much sleep he's getting and suspect that the answer is not nearly enough for the responsibility he carries.

Coincidence he has done a test now after 5 years?

Two can play at the we-can-expand-our-definition-of-an-attack game. 😃

I don't have your confidence in Putins rationality not to use the whole or part of his nuclear arsenal. And I know full well what nuclear weapons can do and the scale of destruction.

The idea of neutralising Russia is just me thinking out loud btw.

The fact is if Putin is not stopped by whatever (non nuclear) means, he will be responsible for the deaths and displacement of huge numbers of people and the destruction of an entire country and the creation of a refugee crisis not seen since WW2 but perhaps more importantly his ongoing threat to world peace and the risk of an all out nuclear war whether incidental or deliberate.

Russia has been using the harbour to load and offload ships; RT News even did a piece on it. Even better they did a piece on the fact that Russia shot down a Ukrainian missile which tried to attack the port... the same type of missile which reportedly hit successfully this morning:

So no I don't think they even needed to do anything complicated: Russia were complacent and kept their vessels tied up right alongside the offloading piers and assumed Ukraine had nothing that could hit them.

NATO have been overflying the Black Sea and can surely detect all the surface vessels present though; whatever about submarines.

Hopefully a few Russian sailors drowned ? Or was it an empty ship ?

Looks like Germany is to take Russia to court for breach of contract 🤦

The reality is Putin has to be faced down on his threats otherwise he is free to do what he likes across Europe.

Are there really though? Seems to me it's like when a shemozzle starts in a GAA match: one in all in until we reach

The only way it might be limited is if Russia fired a tactical one-off or two-off at Ukraine while simultaneously assuring the West through back channels that it no intention of widening the conflict. That would leave NATO leaders with a teriible choice...

You keep implying that Trump was some sort of strong man deterrent. I don't think you will find much of an audience for that here. He tried to pressure Zielinsky for dirt on Biden by withholding aid, he believed Putin rather than his own intelligence services, he divided the allies and was looking disband NATO. The one crisis he had during his presidency he handled terribly, by trying to wish it away, or suggesting to injecting bleach FFS!