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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    I think this will pretty much make up any possible peace agreement. Like the street name thing, there could be a few other relatively minor things like recognition of Russian as an official language (which, given it's common usage in certain areas, is not necessarily an unreasonable thing). I think it's possible Ukraine's EU membership aspirations will be conceded by Russia, which will be a win for Ukraine and the thing that gives at least some guarantee for Ukraine's sovereign future. Russia's ambassador to Bosnia and Herzegovina even recently hinted that "I think, the way out of this should be the European system, not NATO" (he was talking specifically about B&H's NATO aspirations, but in the context of Ukraine).

    I think the possession of the Crimean land corridor will depend on how Russia can depopulate it. Obviously their strategy in Mariupol is to make the place uninhabitable. It's much easier to lay claim to a place with no-one it. I think Russia will attempt to keep pummeling the area to get as many Ukrainians out as possible, so that if they do get it in the negotiations, it's easier to manage in the future. And if they don't, then it's years and a huge cost to the West before it's usable again. Of course it's basically ethnic cleansing, but it's a tactic Russia are unfortunately very comfortable with. Easy for me to say from the safety of my home office, but the more Ukrainians that stay there, the less chance Russia has of stealing, and then legitimising the theft of, that land. The big question is, how far are Russia willing to go in destroying the place and the people to achieve this aim? And what's the point at which the west say that they've gone too far to negotiate back from at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,026 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Looks like that claim of hitting a Russian patrol boat earlier was true




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    I can't recommend this piece more. For anyone trying to understand Putin the man, Julia Loffes interview here is excellent. Filmed 4 years ago, it's quite shocking to hear its relevance today. Take a couple of hours out tonight and watch the video.


    https://youtu.be/b1HWNcLDK88



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The Americans are working on Venezuela too(highest oil reserves in the world!)

    This is the problem, they don't have the resources to police the entire world, so they have to prioritise. If Russia wants to be public enemy number one, then they need to let Iran and Venezuela off the hook. The resources are out there though, its just hard and takes huge investment in risky states to switch suppliers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Wasn't the old joke that "there is no truth in Pravda (truth) and no news in Izvestia (news)"?

    You could safely apply that to today's Kremlin-controlled media. Strange how history repeats itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,759 ✭✭✭weisses


    Dont you read the thread .... Was posted already, not to long ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    So it's all Merkel's fault? That's hardly a basis for any kind of a solution and very Captain Hindsight. Scholtz has reversed a de facto policy of well over 50 years in a few weeks but clearly that's not enough for some people. They are working their way towards unwinding that dependency. It's hardly an excuse for other countries far less affected by cutting ties, to lecture them on what to do. Who says they are cutting aid and how did the Germans suddenly become the bad guys in this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,584 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    "Russian military have food supplies, ammunition and fuels sufficient to meet their needs only for the next three days" Both the Ukrainian army and the American Think Tank Institute For The Study of War claim that the Russian army has serious problems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,818 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Germany's decision to decommission their nuclear reactors was a bigger knee-jerk reaction than anything any of their neighbours have done in recent years.



  • Posts: 192 [Deleted User]


    To summarise the propaganda:

    Option 1:

    ”They made me do it!” / “They provoked me” (classic line used by all sorts of abusers)

    Option 2:

    Whataboutery (yup, there’s a lot wrong in the world, but that doesn’t make this any less wrong.)

    Option 3:

    But, but .. both sides… (while only one side is quite flattening cities with bombs and killing thousands of civilians).

    It’s just rather unfortunate to see sometimes well meaning people repeating this bile.



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have sanctions ever actually worked anywhere?



    I do think price of food could be absolutely nuts come next november/december,noone will be worrying fuel prices then and few chickens are going to come home to roost as regards CAP/mercursor....


    Theres a short enough window left for crop planting in ukraine,people in world are going to go hungry and richer countries (china eu etc) will buy up food on poorer countries without the ukraine harvests/general farm output prices are going to spiral out of control


    and you'll have people coming to europe fleeing famine in numbers that will dewarf ukraine refugees numbers....this will cause political instability across europe on scale putin could only dream on



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You should have a read of the link below as you are way off the mark if you think it was a "knee-jerk reaction"




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,153 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's Merkel and schroder's fault all right and the German greens - bought and paid for by Gazprom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes but is that just a message being put out to get Ukrainian cities under siege to hold out that bit longer.? Some big meetings this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    But completely unrelated to Russia's misadventure. Putin was a known entity they thought and one they could do business with they thought. It suited their plan to eliminate nuclear and embrace green energy.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Russia giving up any semblance of not being a rogue/failed state.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    This level of sanctions have never been applied before and yes others have worked around them, predominantly through Russia and China. It needs a few weeks more at least. I agree on the food problem but there are very tentative signs that Russia just cannot keep this up for very long at all and will have to head down a negotiation route before very long. If it's with a few weeks or a month then these sanctions will be deemed a success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Plans that will take years to implement, whilst ordinary people like you or I are blown and burnt to bits? Sometimes action has to be taken.

    Disappointed to hear Eamon Ryan making the point that the current crisis is a good reason to hurry on investing in the renewable industry. Yes, he may be right but it's in bad taste to exploit a war like this to further a known political agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    It may be realistic, a retired US general estimated, 7 days ago, that they had 10 days supplies left

    Putin may be a step closer to getting a slap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    No, you've got me wrong. I suppose I am "alright jack" in that I think I could maybe weather such a policy change here, but I can't speak for others (edit: + don't presume to). Just get sick of some (well @Danzy in particular) shíting on and on here every day about how the Germans + their govt. are somehow responsible for what is going on now in Ukraine and they must just stop buying Russian energy yesterday, no matter the costs to them or problems caused.

    I suspect regardless of Russia's brutality in Ukraine, yellow vest would donned and straight up to the Dáil if Mickey Martin tried to up-end Ireland's energy supply immediately in way he is insisting Germany do now.

    edit: Germany needs a plan for how to do this, and they will likely need help to cushion impact, so it can't happen yesterday or today unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The German way has always been to keep lines of dialogue open. Their continued use of resources may be providing some funds to Russia but they are not remotely responsible for Putin and his greater Russia vision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    This could also explain why the US is warning of the use of Chemical weapons by the RuSSians after all desperate times, desperate illegal measures...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The immediate gas solution will be upping stores for winter and moving to more LNG. That itself will take a couple of years. Trying to identify other sources of oil may not be as difficult.

    I don't think he will fire off nukes as it will be the end of him he and Russia will be done. IMO, it's a loud and scary bluff. Apart some alleged drone visits they have been very careful not to provoke the West/NATO. Their military performance to date in Ukraine suggests they would be completely routed against a far better equipped foe.

    I don't agree on Ryan. I think we should be moving faster in that area anyway and if Ukraine's misfortunes are the catalyst IMO it's one that we still should take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    It's Putins fault but the Germans enabled him. Not really suprising, given their long standing inability to spot a **** dictator 😂



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  • Posts: 192 [Deleted User]


    What always worries me about Russia, and most authoritarian states is how everyone in power seems to be willing to just go along with whatever the narrative is. I mean, how can a judge sit there and preside over something so ridiculous. There are endless officials in those systems who are willing to just toe the line for the sake of compliance or to avoid hassle. They’ve all obviously grown up in, been educated and built careers in a system that teaches and rewards you for not to put your head above the parapet, not to question and not to rock the boat.

    It takes more than just Putin to produce that level of buy in and it’s something that’s been going on in Russia for a very, very long time.

    It’s not a strength, it’s an extreme weakness and will always end up in extreme situations like this occurring and recurring.

    If you look back on recent history, even just to say 2012, there was an optimism about Russia becoming a ‘normal’ country that we could just work with as a neighbour. That’s why gas contracts happened. It’s why you’d some degree of integration and interaction and growing levels of trust and then, just when things are building and normalising - bang. We’re back to paranoid state and military aggression.

    It’s very easy to blame people for being optimists about Russia by plugging it into their economies, but I think ultimately this war in Ukraine will only serve to have seen Russia once again shoot itself in both feet and destroy its reputation for decades.



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