Wfs forestry investment

I think our best course of action is to contact Peter Boyle Solicitors in Dublin as he already has a high court case in the courts last week with WFS Forestry Ireland as he must have information we don`t also there seems to be two companies involved WFS Property Services(which was use to invest in WFS Forestry) and WFS Forestry Ireland, but only one is mentioned in the court case.

This may reduce the costs if we all pool our information.

I note from the article in the newspaper that the Council for the Department of Justice was in court on the 14th which I would think is un usual.

have we any hope of getting our money back from that company 😡😡😡

Anyone have any update on the court proceedings against hands and wfs was there an inspector appointed to the company.??

Hi my name is Ciaran Guilfoyle, I invested in this company and would like to talk to anybody else who has. I’ve gone to the Guards. I am speaking to a solicitor and taking other action. 

ID LIKE TO TALK TO ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS HAD PROBLEMS WITH THIS COMPANY!

We should contact Rte and other media outlets to ensure that others don’t lose their hard earned savings

case is back in court 27th April, i contacted Peter Boyle solicitors but they are not taking any calls untill after the verdict on that day

Do you think we should attend court hearing on the 27th April in Dublin in mass to show that we are real people and Mr Hands cannot hide in the shadows anymore,this could push the case along quicker.

,this coming friday the Judge will lay down the date when full hearing will go ahead

My tuppence worth advice is I would be seeking a winding up order from the High Court by petitioning the High Court with your collective liabilities of the company which are not being met. I would also be seeking a creditors meeting and the appointment of a liquidator. The sooner everything is frozen the better for the creditors and puts a stop to the fraud. The director or directors cannot seek a voluntary liquidation of the company in the present circumstances as too much moneys outstanding. A voluntary winding up is where the company can meet its liabilities. The party to seeking the winding up will be treated as a preferential creditor for their costs.  As for the policing of the Director of Corporate Enforcement in the past it was negligible and from my own experience where I experienced corporate fraud. I did not even get an ack of my complaint.

The Gardaí are usually involved when they are brought in by the liquidator. From my own experience I experienced a corrupt liquidator that was appointed by the company directors as they held they were the main creditors in lendings and foregoings that they did to their company. Invoking company law involves the High Court jurisdiction a very pricey way.

What I did successfully was sued the Directors in the civil court for fraud and breach of contract. I successfully had it followed up with the sheriff. This would allow you to go after the personal assets of the directors. The circuit court allows a max of €75,000 claim. I subpoenaed the very corrupt liquidator as a witness to get access to his very corruptly skewed “liquidators report” and needless to state he did not send the fraudulent activity of the entity to the Gardaí.

This case appears to be white collar crime at its best.

If approved, it will be the first time an inspector has been appointed to a company on foot of an application from someone other than the Director of Corporate Enforcement.

The court heard the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement declined to investigate and referred complainants to gardaí. However, gardaí declined to investigate on the basis that the issues complained of were civil matters and outside their remit.

The application was adjourned to a date later this month when Mr Hands will have a further opportunity to address the court.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/other/fraud-fears-prompt-bid-to-have-inspector-appointed-to-christmas-tree-growing-business/ar-AAWZVp1?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=d5fe70e3ff47401297c19a2959ed759e

There is another statutory agency that may get involve if complaints are made to it which may get the Gardai investigating it. After all this so called company bona fide seems to be seriously challenged as is.

The Competition and Consumer Protection Commission (CCPC) is the statutory body responsible for promoting compliance with, and enforcing, competition and consumer protection law in Ireland.

https://www.askaboutmoney.com/threads/wfs-forestry-investment-nordmann-fir.209475/

Forestry fraud is not something new. Seems to be easy pickings for having all the right credentials of being ever so "green" and offering renewable solutions and the assoc assumptions of green solutions of forestry being so profitable.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/pair-raked-in-5m-of-foreign-investment-through-forestry-ponzi-scheme-court-is-told-37932520.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/fraudster-who-sold-same-forests-over-and-over-again-has-sentence-extended-1.4160389

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rings-of-deceit-how-arden-forestry-scammers-had-investors-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-xdnz8bhf5

https://www.checkmyinvestmentout.com/investigation/cx-renewables-ltd-uk/

Full day in court all submissions given to Judge, this was day two.

This is the first time that this type of case has been brought by general public to have inspector appointed to a company and looking for state to foot the bill.

The Judge is now going to review the submissions which may take up to two months before we know the result

Folks, I am not used to the site. I will like to join a group, if anyone is taking further legal action.

Hi I’m new to this site

I have an investment with WFS Xmas trees and WFS. Hemp

I have been in touch with John Kearney who has the court case in Ireland against WFS

im getting very frustrated doing nothing. Is there anyway we can report this to the Uk police ?

im happy to join any joint effort whatever it maybe please pm me

Hi I just found your message. I am also an investor who hasn’t been paid. So count me in for an action that will resolve this

Likewise if any email group etc is starting up can the details be posted here?

Hi just wondering does anyone have an actual address for Craig Hands or any of his family?

It seems that there are also a number of related companies registered in the UK at the address Fulford House, Newbold Terrace, Leamington Spa, Warwickshire, United Kingdom, CV32 4EA this appears to be the address for an accountancy company called TGFP that I would imagine will have more information on the directors using their address. Some of these connected companies include the following.

Walker Forestry Services Ltd (company reg 09183836) - Responsible directors - Craig Hands, Brendan Jason Golding https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09183836/officers

Jingletree Limited (company reg 12842238) - Responsible director - Julie Hands https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12842238

Pre-Fir Limited (company reg 13907822) - Responsible director - Julie Hands https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13907822

In Ireland, there is

WFS Ireland Property Services (company reg 633440) - Responsible directors - Julie Hands and Craig Hands https://ie.globaldatabase.com/company/wfs-ireland-property-services-limited#div_shareholders

In Malta there is also -

WFS Property Services Malta Limited (company reg C 94842) - Responsible director Craig Johnathan Hands https://ie.globaldatabase.com/company/wfs-ireland-property-services-limited#div_shareholders https://mlt.databasesets.com/company-all/company/94149

Hello All, I am an investor in the WPS Hemp project which was sold via the Malta listed company noted in the message above. I filed a compiaint with the Malta Police and hired a lawyer in Malta who opened a case in the Court in Malta. An Inspector of the Malta Police economic crimes unit has been assigned to my case. I will inform the Malta Police of the appointnment of an inspector in Ireland to look into WFS and the two firms (WFS and WPS) are both managed by Craig Hands. My initisal investment in WPS malta was made in May 2021, was supposed to pay me quarterly interest, made one payment in 2021 and nothig since then,. Currently WPS is in default for 5 quarterly intetrest payments (1 for Q4 2021 and 4 in 2022), with another coming up in Q1 2023. If there are others on this board who invested in WPS Malta I would like to get in contact to share info and see what can be done to recover the investment. thanks!

FYI, here is a copy of an email I got today from the Malta Police:

Dear Mr. Segal,

Thank you for reaching out and letting me know about the whole christmas tree incident going on in Ireland. I apologise for the delay in responding to your email, as my unit has been prioritising other cases which were deemed more urgent. 

I have recently reviewed the details of your case. At this stage, my unit has obtained bank statements and other documentation of relevance related to Mr. Hands and his associated companies. We have also sent a reminder through Europol to our Irish counterparts in order to obtain further information on Mr. Hands and his associated companies, since this information is of critical importance to our investigation. Therefore, we are currently waiting for their reply before proceeding to the next stage. 

I will keep you informed of any progress or updates as they become available. In the meantime, please feel free to contact me should you have any further questions or concerns.

Best regards,

Keith C. Darmanin

B.A. (Hons) Melit, Dip. (Laws of Procedure)

Police Inspector

Economic Crimes Unit

Financial Crimes Investigations Department

Police Department       

t +356 22947356  e: keith.c.darmanin@gov.mt

Kindly consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail

                     Ministry for Home Affairs and National Security,

                                                                Police Headquarters,

                                                                 St. Calcedonius Square,

                                                                          Floriana, Malta.

There is a recent article in the Irish Times "WFS Forestry's purpose was defrauding investors, court-appointed inspector says" https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/05/18/wfs-forestrys-purpose-was-defrauding-investors-court-appointed-inspector-says/

Whilst looking into the UK company that was mentioned in the article I previously posted I found a couple of interesting links which I thought I would share regarding some of Mr Hands other companies. its interesting stuff and looks like quite a few million has gone through companies he has been standing as director for, I wonder if this is one way that he laundered the proceeds.

https://pomanda.com/director/922572410/craig-hands

It appears that he was in charge of another company which I dont believe has been mentioned on this forum before "Warwickshire Wood Chip Limited" which is registered in the UK.

The link shows that this company received approx. £5.9 million (approx. to €6.8 million). It also appears that he was taken to court for his involvement with this company and when asked to provide inspectors with information in very much the same way as he has with WFS refused to comply with the court order and provide evidence relating, I wonder what he has to hide in that company? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/company-director-pays-cost-of-staying-silent-in-waste-investigation

Hi

i invested money my sons share from his Dads insurance policy, due this year, but nothing. Phone disconnected in WFS and being ignored by Craig Hand. Feel sick I ve lost my sons money

I have investments no return it was from my husband’s death policy. I’m sick have left my name with Peter Boyle’s office have heard nothing

Sean Burke is also another name - he took an extra 5K from me in 2021, after a no-stop hard sell via phone and email. Non-stop telling me it would be a great deal - more fool me! These people should be in jail by now