Getting new car

It’s a great time to buy a new EV, the advances made now mean you have many options for purpose built high range cars so you don’t have to restrict yourself to something like a Golf e which sold in tiny numbers.

EV’s are still attracting SEAI grants and VRT rebates (up to 50k) and this certainly won’t always be the case- Ie prices are likely to rise considerably as a result.

if the OP has home charging then buying a new Ioniq 5 is a no brainer

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but how bad exactly is your current 2006 vehicle?

You don't seem to drive that much. Would a few € spent on fixing that be something you'd consider?

Ah, in todays lack of supply market, stuff less than say 24 months old is holding it's value, yeah. But everything is holding savage value right now so it's not really a good time to judge it.

But in general they are prime for a kicking. You can't give away older Leafs, E-Golfs, Ioniq's etc mainly because the range is dire and they havn't got any other redeeming features really.

I just think it someone is unsure, there's really no need to jump into an expensive EV when a considerably cheaper ICE vehicle would do him absolutely fine and would come with plenty of benefits even after the initial saving on purchase price.

You'd be fairly sore if you bought a new EV6 or ID4 or whatever now for €50k and when the newer model is released in 3 or 4 years time when supply to the market has began to ease, you will get a serious kicking on the value of what you already have.

The only people who I ever seem to see disagreeing with this approach are either EV enthusiasts or someone who owns an EV. As far as I can see, there are fairly limited circumstances where the numbers stack up to change to an EV.

It's all good and well getting good money for your existing car but you have replace it with something that will be overpriced too and in most cases won't be available for at least 12 months when it will have gone up in price again too.

From what I can see e-Golfs are selling barely on a par price wise with petrol or diesel Golfs. They are a good example IMO because the Golf is historically a good selling car with strong residuals. Surely if they were desirable in EV form, they would command a premium? But no, in the space of 4 years they've lost all desirability and that's in a strong market that is hungry for EV products.

As you say, the Octavia iV is a great example of how bad stuff like that is in value for money terms. If you want a 12 month old 1.4 iV it's €40k, a 12 month old 1.0 is €30k, that's some difference, most people would never recover that additional purchase price in running cost reductions. Sure it's a more powerful setup but it's far from essential, specially at that premium.

The charging network really isn't improving. It's a joke.

The ID.4 will make itself obselite fairly lively. They're barely attractive now, though i do agree pricing people out of a diesel Tiguan does make them look more attractive. They will do 350kms if you run the range to zero and coast to a charger, say 300kms useable range That's crap. Unless you like hanging around in motorway car parks and chatting to like minded individuals about how you stay at 90km/h behind trucks and only turn the heating on when you cant feel your toes.

Why would anybody want that, when undoubtedly in 4 or 5 years time there will be one with double the range which is a far far more attricative proposition.

I'm not saying EV's dont suit some people but they do have a long long way to go.

I agree with this. I'm getting a trade in value I don't feel is deserved on my ICE and gonna buy a new Leaf at 0% finance. If you're going to go new now is the time.

Yeah, that's fair.

Just IMO pretty much anything you see online from EV owners is absolute circle jerking.

I do follow that Irish EV owners facebook page, it really is brain damaging stuff. I like to follow it though for a good giggle.

Mortified, swanky looking €50k ID.4, nice bit of road presence. Has to travel at 90km/h to get to their destination. That will grow old. He could make the battery last even longer by leaving the car at home and getting the train, probably be quicker too.

It's not beyond the realms of possibilty that the speed limit will be reduced to 90km/h given that megalomaniac dictators use oil money to massacre innocent civilians not to mention unprecedented heatwaves at both poles at the same time.

Theres gonna be pain somewhere. Best that it be in the headline price of a new EV than the tax and fuel cost of an aging ICE

A plug in hybrid charges itself too. Just not to the extent of driving around without ever using the engine. A plug in hybrid with a dead battery is basically the same as a regular hybrid, just with some additional weight from the added batteries.

Modern plug in hybrids can travel 50km+ on battery power alone so I wouldn’t completely disregard them. Especially if your willing to consider hybrids, EV’s, and ICE.

for that ID.4 driver he asked for tips to get most of battery. It’s true that driving at 90 kph will get more range out of any car either ev or ice. It doesn’t mean that that person needed to do it

the only person talking rubbish on here is you.

I have never had to charge my 77 kw ID.3 in public and even if a bigger battery were available I wouldn’t buy it because it’s not necessary for vast vast majority of journeys. People don’t need to be carrying around heavy batteries for no good reason.

Your points may have been valid a year ago. Not now though. Anyone doing decent mileage will be better off in an ev with good range (400km+) as the savings on fuel would offset the higher purchase cost against the daylight robbery of a tank of Diesel. EVs are far past the school runs, grocery shop and city slickers as you suggested. Anyone doing a long journey beyond the range of their ev can typically bring their battery back to 80% full in 30 minutes. Shorter range EVs are better suited to people who don't need bug range, or as a second car.