Russia - threadbanned users in OP

This thread seems to have been hijacked somewhat by certain posters who appear on the face of it to be anti NATO but yet want them to “do something” by intervening directly against Russian forces.

Perhaps I’m misinterpreting comments…

Iv wandered into this out of curiosity - and i have read a few of your posts - and, i have struggled-

Genuinely - Do you have anything solid? At all?? Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary evidence

If you cannot provide any - Hitchens Razor Applies

Russia was not in military conflict with the west during the Korean or Vietnam wars, and there is a big difference between mercenaries/stray jets and direct conflict with Russian special forces/the Russian Federation.

@Wibbs

Because war is an existential matter, (for the directly sides involved, at least) it doesn't really surprise me that the search for objective truth goes out the window. Self-preservation and self-interest become paramount when fighting to preserve your life and way of life. Whatever can buoy the morale and minimise the enemy will be used. The objective truth of it is that we're all going to die eventually and fighting over a patch of ground will only hasten that for some. This, however, has not really stopped humans from waging wars for thousands of years.

It is, in my opinion at least, a good thing that we live in a relatively free society where questioning things is tolerated, but that, as we've seen here and elsewhere, is also being used as a cover by bad actors to plant little thought seeds and discord, in among the many people asking honest questions. Questions are good - up to a point, but they should achieve answers, and when it's a case of war or some impending crisis, these should be achieved sooner rather than later. There isn't endless time to moralise and philosophise.

Nato should step in and do something or leave the fold and allow Ukraine align with like minded countries such as Poland in this prelude to WW3

Neither do I. Any use of nuclear weapons or the threat of their use would oblige the UK and USA and the UN Security Council to become involved.

If they did not authorise military action to support Ukraine it would send the message to every other nation that if you want security you need your own nuclear weapons and do not give them up under any circumstances.

The Russian Federation will not want to risk bringing the UK, USA and other UN countries into the war.

I think this is more along the lines of what the West might have to do to apply pressure on Russia.

However this only works effectively if we can get buy-in from the likes of India and China; otherwise they'll just pick up the slack at tidy little discounts. And if China and India start playing ball economically with Russia you can bet military assistance mightn't be that far behind.

If the West weakens itself too much to try and in turn weaken Russia we could leave ourselves in a precarious position in wider geopolitical terms.

Naturally I haven't a clue what I'm talking about; but as I've said before none of this horrendous **** is happening in a vacuum and there are more entities than Russia who have it out for Ukraine and the West in general.

President Duda: According to @ZelenskyyUa, Russians from Syria are coming to Ukraine, and mercenaries from the Middle East supporting RU. Syrians are the most numerous. In this context, more NATO assistance to Ukraine is needed. But this also illustrates Russia's weakness and is an interesting signal for Turkey

the war in Syria must be over, Syrian regime has lost much

I do wonder if we shouldn't start sanctioning Western companies who continue to do business in Russia; especially anything related to luxury brands, electronics, non-essential foodstuffs like alcohols and soft drinks and confectioneries etc. Not sure how feasible that is or if that would just be a part of a complete trade ban.

In any case it seems like we should be firing off a new round of sanctions to remind Russia that this isn't going away anytime soon; targeting the oligarchs and senior politicians doesn't seem to be doing the trick.

Would the Polish army occupying Lviv and surrounding countryside be a good strategy? This should be clearly notified to the Russians as purely a peacekeeping force.

This would prevent the Russian army from going right up to the Polish border. It prevents Russia from absorbing the entire Ukrainian state. It provides a safe base for the continuation of the Ukrainian government. It gives leverage to the west in negotiating a settlement.

or trump makes a comeback and **** hits the fan

Because the problem is not that NATO has no reason to go to war with Russia; it's that it does not want to go to war with Russia.

Aside from the fact that NATO and the majority of the democracies in the West are supposed to value the rule of law.