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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Any sign of Middle East lads that were eager to sign up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭rogber


    Nothing to do with brightness, just human rights, which Israel has often shown it doesn't care about unless for Jews within Israeli borders. Therefore not surprising



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Ukrainians helped to massacre Jews. They were the most eager, even more so that the Nazis. This still 'grates' with Jews.

    Ukraine hasn't supported Israel particularly. Certainly not at the UN. I believe they've never voted in favour of Israel.

    European nations are more anti-Israel than some Arab nations, We can certainly add Ireland to that list for example.

    Russia is on Israel's border and poses a major security threat

    Ukrainian Jews and Israeli citizens have already been killed in this conflict, so a Jewish president doesn't really alter the 'sympathy' angle.


    Factor this all in, and Israel will not intervene militarily in a European war that has nothing to do with them.


    They have already:

    Taken in thousands of refugees. More than many European countries

    Sent 100 tonnes of humanitarian aid

    Set up a fully equipped field hospital with maternity wards, operating theatre, emergency room etc

    Send 4 bullet proof ambulances

    Attempted to and still mediating with Russia on behalf of Ukraine as per their request



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Communists call them gulags, the Russians never got rid of their gulags, this rebirth of Communist style Russia is starting like it did under Lenin, mass murder and the Russian army burning through Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    I strongly disagree with the sentiment in this post and I know this topic can be an emotional topic to discuss but inventing an attack on Ireland to justify what effectively amounts to a world war is absolutely not something to advocate lightly for. I think it is really important to have perspective and ground discussion in reality and the reality is that in what universe is the Republic of Ireland under attack but not the rest of the EU or the UK? That is important because otherwise you could use the imagery conjured up in this post to basically justify any military action.

    One thing that caught my eye this evening were headlines about Zelensky warning of a third world war if negotiations fail. I know he is a comedian but I don't think he was joking. That sort of rhetoric really needs to be played down by those in the West as it can easily get taken up by certain observers as being a call to arms when again it comes back to us just addressing a conflict localised in eastern Ukraine.

    The post above and the Zelensky headlines this evening just struck me and made me want to post that we in Ireland and the West in general are not on the brink of a world war with Russia and need to tone down the hyperbole as a war can start from perceived threats rather than actions.



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  • Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Kyiv Independent is a western/nato linked propaganda outlet..



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not even then. Some ethnic Jewish groups in Israel are openly treated horrifically e.g. Ethiopian jews



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,437 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It certainly is not a propaganda outlet. It's a straightforward news media website (in English), along the lines of the Journal in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    As much as you seem to have a hard on for the Russians, if you think they are brutal, the Israelis would put them in the ha'penny place when it comes to barbarity. If the Russians were to 'allow' Iran to camp on the Israeli border, they would be fucked from here to kingdom come, both of them. The cat is well and truly out of the bag with regards the russian military capabilities, the IAF would wipe the floor with anyone who attempts what you just posted.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    In what way are they linked to NATO?

    Steady as she goes now...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭dasdog


    "Lay down your arms" 

    Absolutely pathetic from the Russians because they can't even take Mariupol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    If Mariupol surrenders then I see that as the end for Ukraine

    Peace talks mean nothing - Russia will not stop til they have taken Ukraine, they are intent on beating them into submission with the deliberate civilian targeting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,808 ✭✭✭threeball


    Like I said NATO in all but name. Couldn't call it NATO led as its supposedly a defensive organisation and this was an offensive operation so they come up with the sh1t name coalition of the willing. Typical of you than rather than arguing the context of a post you rather to play games to massage your ego. All your talk of taking a L like we're in some sort of war of wits.

    here's some of the actors in the COTW, the first names on the tip of your tongue to help out the states I'm sure except for the NATO connection

    USA NATO

    UK NATO

    CZECH REPUBLIC NATO

    BULGARIA NATO

    POLAND NATO

    SLOVAKIA NATO

    ITALY NATO

    HUNGARY NATO

    SPAIN NATO

    ROMANIA NATO

    DENMARK NATO

    ESTONIA NATO

    I could go on but I'm sure you're too busy celebrating your W.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    That's it exactly , the Russians threw thousands at it over the last 8 years and never took it ,

    We even had posters on here demanding the azoz battalion who have defended Mariupol be arrested and face war crimes so the Russians could take the port



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Bring the thread back to Russia, not your struggles against world Jewry.


    It might shock you but most others aren't that interested in it.



  • Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm looking for it again, but a few of the journalists had links..

    All the stories that turned out to be bull originated there too..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    History will not be kind to the leaders who let putin get away with this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Prelude to something? They have used hypersonic and thermobaric weapons, is it a tactical nuke next?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    What else is left,

    Running out of senior officers to drop into Mariupol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If those defending Mariupol are not going to lay down arms despite presumably knowing the city is surrounded, then I fail to see why they would lay them down on Russia's demand. Likely just Russia giving themselves a half-excuse to do what they were going to do anyway and summarily execute the lads attempting to hold the city centre.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,574 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I dont see countries sitting on the sidelines if a Nuke is used.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "President Biden, sir, unconfirmed reports from Ukraine are stating that Russia has deployed a nuclear device in the vicinity of Kyiv."

    "A nuke, huh? Lemme ask you a question... Was it a 'nuke' nuke?"

    "Sir?"

    "Y'know... Was it, like, ahhh! Tsar Bomba, or more like Atomic Watermelon?"

    "I'll check, sir"

    "You do that"

    ....One hour later....

    "More like Atomic Watermelon, sir"

    "Well, then. I'm going back to bed."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,574 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    I also hope it is unkind to those companies that profited from the crisis, the likes of JPM and GS going in to buy up Russia on the cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Couldn't call it NATO led as its supposedly a defensive organisation and this was an offensive operation so they come up with the sh1t name coalition of the willing

    There often seems to be an incorrect belief that NATO is a defensive organisation, that is incorrect, defence is the primary role of NATO, but it is not the sole role, the crisis response operations is the lessor of the two main responsibilities and allows for offensive actions, usually when UN mandated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭dasdog


    Looking at the cheap Chinese materials they are using in their armoured divisions you'd wonder if the rusting Soviet nuclear weapon circuits would target Leningrad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    🤣 "I could go on" - if you went on your L would grow in stature and start glowing radioactive.

    What you posted was not NATO, and it won't become NATO with more adornments or rhetorical flourishes - and you may have noticed some rather large core NATO countries absent from your list. That's because it wasn't a NATO mission with treaty response mechanisms approved and the majority of NATO members walked away from the invasion. There were only TWO Nato countries involved in the serious business of the invasion and securing the country.

    I don't know what age you were when the Iraq war was on, but for instance, so reluctant were countries like Spain to seriously get involved, that they sent a rag-tag group of soldiers from Hispanic countries to make up the numbers. The US and UK carried all the load with extremely limited numbers of men from your list which were support roles and not combat.

    I've posted this before, but this thread has only survived as a useful resource because lies and BS get nuked in quick order. Unfortunately, yours will suffer the same fate.

    You're backpedaling to "NATO in all but name" because your initial blunder was called out. And even your back peddle is inaccurate. You're going to need to get accurate as a contributor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Are they in the CIA? MI6?

    Like are they on the NATO payroll? And you can prove it? Man, this could go global, don't keep us waiting.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You were doing so well until you namechecked the Journal. Like most "straightforward news media websites" they have their own slant when it comes to anything beyond Just the Facts, mostly UCD student type politics. The Kyiv Independent most certainly has their slant, and not exactly surprisingly considering. Now I'd trust them far more than any Russian outlet. I'd trust Russian outlets about as far as I could throw one of thier tanks. However the Ukrainians have been, again quite naturally, throwing their own spin on things and have spouted some BS themselves. EG non existent fighter aces not just the "ghost of Kyiv", the rescue of a mayor by their forces when it turned out to be a prisoner exchange, wheeling out Russian POWs to back their cause while so many of us lapped it up, even though it goes against several "rules of war", including the Geneva convention. And few questioned their testimony because it agreed with our cause.

    As is always the case in such things when it comes down to it: "Our" side always tells the truth, "Their" side never does. One of the greatest benefits we hold by living in free societies is that we can publicly ask questions. And we should. Those who automatically shout questions down should remember that. And remember this too: Russians don't have that choice. If there's anything we should be fighting for so far away from the actual battlefield it's this.

    Down the thread of a tweet posted earlier was this.

    truth.jpg

    And it holds much wisdom and things we should always be aware of, even when we IMHO rightfully condemn the twisted "logic" of a sociopathic pirate oppressor like putin and his facist state now laid bare and plain for all to see. And how do you know ywe're not living in a fascist state like his? We will see things we disagree with, even hate to read, our elected government will see things they disagree with and hate to read. And nobody will be thrown in gaol for it, or poisoned, or shot in the street like a dog, or "disappeared". Even the biggest conspiracy theorists and tinfoil hattist loons who rattle on about censorship on "MSM" and all that have a voice, and a loud enough one. So loud(and they can't grasp the irony of course) it's hard to avoid them. Be bloody grateful for all that.

    There have been a few posts and posters in the thread that had me thinking have their meds worn off, or are they trolls, or just plain thick and no doubt my witterings have been received in similar fashion(to be fair...). And right after those thoughts passed through my brain, I've been grateful to see every single one of them.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭liamtech


    BREAKING - IRISH FORUM MEMBER REVEALS NATO PLOT

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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