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20-03-2022 09:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811564#Comment_118811564

Then the sanctions stay in place.

20-03-2022 09:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811588#Comment_118811588

The part of the world that is sanctioning them is enough to do huge damage.

EltonJohn69 · 20-03-2022 09:13PM

Reagan,Bush,Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, Trump… would have any of the previous American presidents intervened with a more severe military approach ?

I find it horrible that the world is standing on the sidelines while people are being slaughtered/ raped and having their homes taken away from them.

Bayonet · 20-03-2022 09:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811578#Comment_118811578

Yep. My guess is they will try and bleed the Russian army as much as possible. Every inch will cost them men and materiel. If they have bunkers, I'd stay in them during the worst of the artillery, then come out, hit, and back into the bunkers.

Gatling · 20-03-2022 09:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811578#Comment_118811578

They have held them off for 8 years so far and despite being outmanned and out gunned ,they fought like lions and nobody could fault them at this stage if they pulled out , but this is a sign of desparation on Russias behalf ,they flattened the area and still haven't beaten the Ukrainian

EltonJohn69 · 20-03-2022 09:13PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/titsur/stainds_aaron_lewis_saying_maybe_we_should_listen/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

The Russians aren’t the only ones brain washed.

thomil · 20-03-2022 09:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811467#Comment_118811467

Awww *blushes

Seriously though, my only "advantage" is that I'm German myself, meaning that I can easily read a lot of the primary literature and know a lot of the subconscious subtext that German people would know but that would remain alien to Irish, American or other "foreigners" for lack of a better word that haven't lived in German society for at least the better part of a decade. I'm not a military man though, just an interested amateur, so I always advise anyone to double-check if you're having doubts.

One more thing that might add to the logistical stress for the Bundeswehr Germany is currently in the process of standing up roughly 15,000 soldiers for the German contribution to the NATO Response Force. The requirement for these units is to be fully equipped for war, which means that the number of available weapons systems and infantry weapons, such as Stinger missiles or the aforementioned Panzerfaust 3 is further reduced. Interestingly, Germany has also, for the first time in its post-war history, triggered what it calls "National Alert Measures" that include the prioritisation of military traffic on roads, railways, waterways and airports. At the same time, all of the webcams that usually show traffic on Germany's Autobahn network were turned off for security reasons. So, there are things happening in Germany that a lot of people outside the country might not have on their radar.

20-03-2022 09:15PM

Here is Russian logic in the invasion of Ukraine

1.Russia didnt attack Ukraine,but Ukraine must stop defending itself

2.A special operation is not war,but economic sanctions is

3.Conscripts was not sent to Ukraine,but many was killed,captured or surrended in Ukraine

4.The Special operations are preceeding according to plan,but there are no resitance in Ukraine,but 20 days in Russia only captured

Kherson and have surrounded Mariupol.

5.The Maternity hospital was bombed because nazis was sitting there dressed as pregnant women

6.All Ukrianian planes was destroyed,but they managed to bomb Belarus 2 weeks later.

7.You are allowed to wish death to all Ukrainans on Russian tv,but on facebook its extremism.

8.Russian troops are not fighting civilians,but nazis,all 40 million of them

This is what Russians are being fed with in Russian propaganda on a daily basis

fritzelly · 20-03-2022 09:18PM

Russia says it has set a 5am deadline to surrender Mariupol

Ominous words - what are they planning?

A terrible humanitarian catastrophe has developed

Yes caused by you!

The Mariupol authorities now have the opportunity to make a choice and go over to the side of the people, otherwise the military tribunal that awaits them is just a little that they deserve for their terrible crimes, which the Russian side is very carefully documenting

I think you have this the wrong way round comrade

20-03-2022 09:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811606#Comment_118811606

Not enough damage. Putin is already readying his population for the hardships ahead, positioning it as an unfair and unjustified economic war by the west, that has to be resisted. And half the population will buy that narrative

Yurt2 · 20-03-2022 09:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811590#Comment_118811590

?

NATO got directly (and rightly) involved in Kosovo and in the skies over Serbia on the pretext of human rights and avoiding a repeat of the early/mid 90s atrocities. You'll have many political cranks to this day throwing their toys out of the pram saying NATO overstepped their mark there. NATO defanged Milosevic's Serbian war-crime machine once and for all. That was a job well done and all the Chinese and Russian cries into to the universe doesn't move me one bit.

Similarly, the Afghanistan intervention was NATO-led for the longest time. The amount of NATO blood and treasure expended there was immense - and no matter what people say, coalition forces improved the lives of millions there. Was that all self-serving?

It's contradictory because you'll doubtless frame the above as self-interested action and decry what they don't do as standing on the sidelines provoking a fight (???).

Make up your mind, what do you want out of NATO? Do you want them to get stuck in full-on in Ukraine with troops on the ground and jets in the air over Ukraine? Would you rather it doesn't exist? What's the angle?

deise08 · 20-03-2022 09:25PM

That reply deserves more than just a 👍

Thanks for taking the time for writing such an informed response.

As greenpilot, (who's also insightful) says, it's a pleasure to read something when there is knowledge behind it.

GM228 · 20-03-2022 09:25PM

For some of the military experts here I wonder now that Russia has used hypersonic missiles and thermobaric bombs along with the more traditional munitions what has it got left in it's arsenal that it has not yet used (nuclear aside).

Curious_Case · 20-03-2022 09:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811616#Comment_118811616

But Mariupol is surrounded

Hobgoblin11 · 20-03-2022 09:27PM

Occupation authorities in Crimea confirm death of deputy commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet Andrey Paliy

https://liveuamap.com/

commanders and generals are falling like flies

Asdfgh2020 · 20-03-2022 09:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811642#Comment_118811642

NATO troops or planes or tanks on ground ie direct intervention could just lead to ‘the bomb 💣’ being used…..but shur it’s worth i.e playing a game of bluff with the homo (Sapian) in the Kremlin…

rogber · 20-03-2022 09:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811588#Comment_118811588

Including Israel. Scummy nation, doubt even Zelensky's powerful speech today will move them to act

rogber · 20-03-2022 09:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811677#Comment_118811677

Ukrainian civilians falling an awful lot faster. People constantly lose sight of the bigger picture due to these minor Ukrainian victories

Bayonet · 20-03-2022 09:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811667#Comment_118811667

Not an expert, but they have enough artillery to last for years and will be making more. Given that they don't care too much about accuracy, the damage they'll do with this is sufficient. I don't think they have much more other than using more air and naval powers as well as drones. They haven't deployed those assets as much, either because they're not up to it or for whatever reasons.

jmayo · 20-03-2022 09:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811249#Comment_118811249

People need to realise a lot of modern military technology requires a fair bit of training.

That is why the only aircraft you can give Ukraine are ones that their pilots know how to operate.

That means it has to be Soviet/Warsaw Pact kit: Migs, Sukhoi, Mils or Czech Aeros.

It aint like the old days where pilots got a few hours training in a new aircraft and wayhay off you go.

Yurt2 · 20-03-2022 09:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811695#Comment_118811695

This is an extremely delicate one for Israel. About 15% of its population is Russian speaking with very large Ukrainian and Russian origin minorities.

Its coalition government -as always- is incredibly fragile, with Russian-speaking Jews being a critical constituency for the more conservative parts of the Frankenstein government they have cobbled together.

rogber · 20-03-2022 09:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811616#Comment_118811616

It really isn't a sign of desperation. It's a sign they have the city by the throat and are giving an option: surrender or die.

Bayonet · 20-03-2022 09:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811710#Comment_118811710

Yes, Biden put an end to that deal of sending them MiGs after he flip-flopped 20 times.

threeball · 20-03-2022 09:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811642#Comment_118811642

They half measure everything. Get involved in Kosovo but allow a genocide to happen. Get involved in Iraq, under false pretences to pretend they were doing something about 9/11, half ass it and as a result had a fair hand in bringing ISIS into being. Going into afghanistan, promising a new world and democracy, then dropping them in the sh1t and for good measure leaving the documents which identified those who helped them during their stay. Yes I'm sure those Afghans were delighted to be promised salvation then thrown to the wolves in a matter of days. Getting crushed under or falling off planes they clung onto in desperation to escape.

And once again they are half assing it in Ukraine, we'll help you but not the way you want to be helped and have begged us to help. No we'll sit here with weapons that make the Russians look like they just came out of a cave but you can't have those as they're "offensive" weapons. We can only give you defensive weapons. Its the greatest crock of sh1t I've heard in a while and I've watched the States go through a Trump presidency and Covid so thats some achievement.

If they want to say they believe in something and stand for something then do so. Stop pretending you believe and stand for it because right now, no more than Putin, all I see is propoganda.

jmayo · 20-03-2022 09:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811374#Comment_118811374

Anyone know if Baerbock and Karlov had any old meetings the past few months ?

Speaking of which I can't ever see any cocktails being named after Karlov.

Bayonet · 20-03-2022 09:39PM

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1505660133682073603?s=20&t=8GTMHnd3A5bT9brXY2IxqA

Bayonet · 20-03-2022 09:40PM

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1505659344578306053?s=20&t=8GTMHnd3A5bT9brXY2IxqA

redarmy · 20-03-2022 09:40PM

A chilling new threat. Russia's Defense Ministry says Ukraine has until 5am on March 21 to surrender the besieged city of Mariupol, adding it'll let residents and troops who lay down arms leave. Anyone left behind "with the bandits" will "face a military tribunal." via RIA

20-03-2022 09:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811573#Comment_118811573

Yes, but the poster wanted to know if they were 'going against' Russia. Russia is not important, if there is a NATO force, Ireland will be in it.

thomil · 20-03-2022 09:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118811667#Comment_118811667

Regarding that "hypersonic" missile, I think it's worth to take a bit of a step back. From what I've seen, the weapon in question, Kinzhal, is little more than a modified Iskander ballistic missile that has already seen plenty of use in Ukraine. Whilst Kinzhal is air-launched, requiring a specially modified MiG-31 as a launch platform, which can't really be good for availability, it is still in its flight profile a ballistic missile similar to the aforementioned Iskander. It only reaches its hypersonic speeds on the downward part of its ballistic trajectory, rather than in level flight, such as the Russian 3M22 Zircon or the Indian BrahMos missile. That also means that for the target, it doesn't really make much of a difference. Honestly, it's not really the game-changer the Kremlin has made it out to be. It's deadly, no doubt, but from what I've seen, there are only twenty MiG-31 that were modified to the MiG-31K standard and are able to launch Kinzhal in the Russian Air Force inventory.

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