Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I agree. It's absolutely sickening. But would you be willing to risk nuclear war by using NATO plans to attack the Russians?

So am I. I was advocating real intervention in the first week of this as I believe it's inevitable and that Putin's bluffing. The earlier you intervene, the more lives you save and destruction you prevent. Everyones hoping for some mirracle so they don't have to, like Europe did sitting on it's hands while watching the ethnic cleansings in the Balkans, praying for a mirracle, before finally realising there weren't going to be any

I remember screaming and raging at the TV saying 'do something now'. I've been raging for weeks now for the same reason. Putin won't stop this until he has accomplished what he's set out to do. Everyone who thinks he can't possibly win is kidding themselves; serial appeasers. Putin will probably start using chemical weapons at some point. He seems aimed at absolute mass slaughter of civillians and egendering hopelessness and fear until the Ukraine government can't take any more and surrenders.

Only boots on the ground and planes in the air will stop Putin from winning via surrender, as it's only those that can allow what's necessary to prevent the use of chemical weapons.

Putin is bluffing about the use of nuclear weapons against the west. I suspect Biden knows it and is cynically using it as a justification to keep the US out of it. Europe and perhaps some others like Australia, are more than capable of turning the tide and devestating Russian air, naval and land forces in Ukraine without US involvent other than what they are already providing in terms of weapons, intelligence and asssessment.

I think Europe and the USA will end up paying to rebuild Ukraine. But not as a Russia satellite state as that would be ridiculous

An unusual story reported here today,

An Ukrainian granny manages to take out 30+ Russian soldiers.

She was forced to cook for for them.

Her ingredients included rat poison animal sedatives and animal laxatives and house hold cleaning products.

Apatntly Ukrainian soldiers were able to walk into the area an hour after the Russians fed and retook the local area.

Hope it's ture.

Nice story either way.

Yes, though I wouldn't attack anything in Russia, only their forces in Ukraine. and Moldova - I'd clean that lot out - thoroughly.

I'm sure NATO, like most people, thinks that. But you'd want to be pretty sure to take the risk...

The EU has allowed the Swiss virtual EU membership, with almost all the benefits and none of the obligations. I'd be pulling those benefits and stop treating them as if they were in the EU until they agree to fall in line. Mind you, i have similar contempt for Irish 'neutrality' the blo​ody ambulances should have been anti-tank munitions, then you wouldn't need the ambulances.

Israel's another doing SFA - a field hospital - whoop de do.

"And yet in recent days Israel has not always lived up to the mark. On the one hand, Israel has made valiant efforts to send 100 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Ukraine, including medical equipment, tents, and blankets. On the other hand, Israel has thus far failed to provide any military support, which has been a source of deep disappointment for Ukrainian politicians, according to Ukrainian Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk. On top of this, Israel has taken the position of a “middle man” in the crisis, at times failing to condemn the Russian state for its unjustified assault on Ukrainian territory and sovereignty. " https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/israel-needs-to-do-more-to-help-ukraine-Y9R0Z21Y9njAQtNR0ezKe

Some zionists have been talking of this horrendous conflict as benefiting Israel by driving jews in Ukraine to emigrate to Israel. Scum.

I think the EU should impose a special import levy on goods from countries still happily trading with Russia, which would be China and India, for starters.

I know it first hand. In Poland around 30% of people are brain washed by public TV propaganda of the ruling party (PiS).

I think in future, if any country wants to belong to any international body, they have to guarantee a right for their citizens to full objective information on public TV. It should be in any country constitution.

So we'll let this mad bastard kill whomever he feels like killing and always us the fear of nuclear war as the excuse?

Where does it then stop? To be honest if it comes to that then it comes to that because I don't see why I should be happy to sit here with my kids on a Sunday morning in perfect safety whilst others morn there's though no fault of their own.

There's more at risk here too. The economic cost of this refugee crisis will become unsustainable. The cost of rebuild and entire country. The chance we are giving this utter sh1t to figure out his weaknesses and go regroup to continue his plan. We already know what he'll do next. He told us.

We can all stick our heads in the sand and hope he goes away or confront him now whilst he's weak. I cant see nukes as part of the equation unless we attack Russia in any case.