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Great films where"bad"or "evil" triumphs over "good"?

  • 18-03-2022 08:45PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,770 sxt
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    Are there any great films in this category ?

    "No Country for old men" is the only one I can think of, and even at that, it was ambiguous



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 Cetyl Palmitate
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    There will be blood. Both main characters are evil i suppose but 1 trimuphs over the other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,392 RobbingBandit
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    The Devil's Advocate


    Pacino was down right evil incarnate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,016 growleaves
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    I rewatched NCFOM a few days ago. I doubt it would have been accepted as a great work of art by e.g. Tolstoy, if he could have seen it, because the overall effect by the end is of being bludgeoned over the head with chaos and meaninglessness.

    Even though the artistry of the film is very great the moral or metaphysical effect is strange and sort-of wrong.

    Like *spoiler alert* the way in which the viewer finds out that Moss has been killed by the Mexicans is presented in a way that is extremely nihilistic - on purpose of course. Quite original too.

    I think is key to why the Sheriff feels overwhelmed by evil. He has enough religious feeling to expect to meet his father in the afterlife but not enough to see extreme wickedness the way a medieval knight would have seen it - as a sort of ungodly force that doesn't need rational categorisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Soupy2


    Fallen with Denzel Washington



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 Alter_Ego
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    Here are two I enjoyed:

    The Devil All The Time

    Only God Forgives



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,016 growleaves
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    I'm not sure if it counts as a "triumph", since in the last frame he's filled with remorse, but Michael Corleone wins against all his enemies in 'The Godfather Part II' including law enforcement (FBI) and the US Senate.

    He seems to know how evil he is and it weighs on him all the time.

    Pauline Kael wrote in her 1974 review "When Michael see Cuban children begging outside his car he knows what he has become: a predator on human weakness"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 Mike Murdock
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    Se7en

    John Doe wins in the end.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,639 magicbastarder
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    Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,440 Ten of Swords
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    Arlington Road

    About domestic terrorism in America, bad guys win and good guy is posthumously blamed as a lone wolf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 mcsean2163
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    Only God Forgives


    He gets his hands chopped off, hardly a triumph..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 silverharp
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    Nightcrawler

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,382 trashcan
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    one that comes to mind for me is The Last Seduction. Not that well known, I don’t think. Many years since I saw it. Linda Florentina plays a very bad gal, who triumphs in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,800 Padraig Mor
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    Fantastic show! She's such a goddamn bitch, in the best way possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 Mongfinder General
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    Michael Collins. Depending on which side of the treaty you’re on…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,699 mikethecop
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    Usual suspects surely , Kiser walks away in the end


    Alien, Aliens etc, here always seems to be another one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,129 callaway92
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    Don’t Breathe

    Great movie too (sequel awful)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,851 gameoverdude
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    Jadoville(ccob) or empire strikes back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,752 tony1kenobi
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    The Omen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 Slydice
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    Hrmm..strugging to try and think of some and why they might fit.


    Nineteen Eighty-Four - Totalitarian State

    Requiem for a Dream - Addiction

    Garage (with Pat Shortt as the lead) - Depression / Hopelessness / Suicide

    Valkyrie - based on an attempt to kill Hitler that didn't succeed

    End of Watch - Cop killed in Ambush



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 bodhrandude
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    Well watched Race with the Devil recently, quite dated now but that brilliant ending with the rectangle of fire.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 JohnFalstaff
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    There's a fair few horror films that would qualify. Off the top of my head films like The Wicker Man, The Omen, Kill List, and Hereditary would all fit the bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 enfant terrible
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    Do you think that was the best head Morgan Freeman ever got?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 flasher0030
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    Flight 93



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,647 loyatemu
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    A Clockwork Orange - they dropped the original ending of the novel, which gives the film a somewhat pessimistic outlook (Kubrick, of course).



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,808 Manach
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    Avatar - I was rooting for the Terran Space Marines all the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 dybbuk
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    Election (1999 with Reese Witherspoon)

    and

    Ferris Bueller's Day Off

    too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 dybbuk
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    depending on how one feels about Sigourney Weaver:

    Alien

    might qualify..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 FortuneChip
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    Loved the outcome in Watchmen.

    Not necessarily evil triumphing, given that they're all doing the right thing by their own perspective, but yeah.


    Others mentioned, Se7en, Usual Suspects. Fight Club in a way, the plan works.





  • The Empire Strikes Back



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,622 silliussoddius
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    The Boys from Brazil, or does it.



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