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Great films where"bad"or "evil" triumphs over "good"?

  • 18-03-2022 8:45pm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭ sxt

    Are there any great films in this category ?

    "No Country for old men" is the only one I can think of, and even at that, it was ambiguous



  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭ Cetyl Palmitate

    There will be blood. Both main characters are evil i suppose but 1 trimuphs over the other

  • Registered Users Posts: 17,759 ✭✭✭✭ RobbingBandit

    The Devil's Advocate

    Pacino was down right evil incarnate

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,809 ✭✭✭ growleaves

    I rewatched NCFOM a few days ago. I doubt it would have been accepted as a great work of art by e.g. Tolstoy, if he could have seen it, because the overall effect by the end is of being bludgeoned over the head with chaos and meaninglessness.

    Even though the artistry of the film is very great the moral or metaphysical effect is strange and sort-of wrong.

    Like *spoiler alert* the way in which the viewer finds out that Moss has been killed by the Mexicans is presented in a way that is extremely nihilistic - on purpose of course. Quite original too.

    I think is key to why the Sheriff feels overwhelmed by evil. He has enough religious feeling to expect to meet his father in the afterlife but not enough to see extreme wickedness the way a medieval knight would have seen it - as a sort of ungodly force that doesn't need rational categorisation.

  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭ Alter_Ego

    Here are two I enjoyed:

    The Devil All The Time

    Only God Forgives

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,809 ✭✭✭ growleaves

    I'm not sure if it counts as a "triumph", since in the last frame he's filled with remorse, but Michael Corleone wins against all his enemies in 'The Godfather Part II' including law enforcement (FBI) and the US Senate.

    He seems to know how evil he is and it weighs on him all the time.

    Pauline Kael wrote in her 1974 review "When Michael see Cuban children begging outside his car he knows what he has become: a predator on human weakness"

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ mcsean2163

    Only God Forgives

    He gets his hands chopped off, hardly a triumph..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,123 ✭✭✭✭ silverharp


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,665 ✭✭✭ trashcan

    one that comes to mind for me is The Last Seduction. Not that well known, I don’t think. Many years since I saw it. Linda Florentina plays a very bad gal, who triumphs in the end.

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,097 ✭✭✭ Padraig Mor

    Fantastic show! She's such a goddamn bitch, in the best way possible.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭ Mongfinder General

    Michael Collins. Depending on which side of the treaty you’re on…

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭ mikethecop

    Usual suspects surely , Kiser walks away in the end

    Alien, Aliens etc, here always seems to be another one

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭✭ callaway92

    Don’t Breathe

    Great movie too (sequel awful)

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,267 ✭✭✭ gameoverdude

    Jadoville(ccob) or empire strikes back?

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭ tony1kenobi

    The Omen.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,294 ✭✭✭✭ Slydice

    Hrmm..strugging to try and think of some and why they might fit.

    Nineteen Eighty-Four - Totalitarian State

    Requiem for a Dream - Addiction

    Garage (with Pat Shortt as the lead) - Depression / Hopelessness / Suicide

    Valkyrie - based on an attempt to kill Hitler that didn't succeed

    End of Watch - Cop killed in Ambush

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,781 ✭✭✭✭ bodhrandude

    Well watched Race with the Devil recently, quite dated now but that brilliant ending with the rectangle of fire.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭ JohnFalstaff

    There's a fair few horror films that would qualify. Off the top of my head films like The Wicker Man, The Omen, Kill List, and Hereditary would all fit the bill.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,334 ✭✭✭ enfant terrible

    Do you think that was the best head Morgan Freeman ever got?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭ flasher0030

    Flight 93

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭ loyatemu

    A Clockwork Orange - they dropped the original ending of the novel, which gives the film a somewhat pessimistic outlook (Kubrick, of course).

  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Manach

    Avatar - I was rooting for the Terran Space Marines all the way.

  • Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭ dybbuk

    Election (1999 with Reese Witherspoon)


    Ferris Bueller's Day Off


  • Registered Users Posts: 170 ✭✭ dybbuk

    depending on how one feels about Sigourney Weaver:


    might qualify..

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭ FortuneChip

    Loved the outcome in Watchmen.

    Not necessarily evil triumphing, given that they're all doing the right thing by their own perspective, but yeah.

    Others mentioned, Se7en, Usual Suspects. Fight Club in a way, the plan works.

  • Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭ RossGeller

    The Empire Strikes Back

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭ silliussoddius

    The Boys from Brazil, or does it.