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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,603 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords



    Belarus had a constitutional referendum on February 27th (it passed). It didn't really get much notice in the media over here given what else was going on at the time but among it's numerous reforms were the following changes,


    Some complicated pieces of new legislation which will allow Lukashenko to rule until 2035

    Immunity from prosecution for former presidents

    Renouncing Belarus' nuclear free status, meaning it can host Russian nuclear weapons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes



    I don't think you are a putin apologist or anything but i think ...you are ...enamoured with the idea of the russian state not enamoured of its ideals but how it likes to project itself.

    Why do you think a countries with as much poverty and corruption as russia and china have great armies?

    The level of poverty in those countries doesn't lead me to conclude that.


    Russia spends 4% of its gdp on its military its GDP is like 1.4 trillion. The USA spends about 3% of its gdp on its military but its GDP is like 20.4 trillion. CHINA on the other hand only spends ONE PERCENT of its GDP on its military. And the GDP of china is about 14 trillion.


    The us airforce (taking into account navy jets too) could take on china and russia's airforce at the same time beat them alone and THEN some.


    And ALL that is not taking into account the amount that was STOLEN from their military budgets by corruption.


    And the us has just given ukraine one TRILLION for defense.


    Russia and China are like crouching paper tiger crouching paper dragon.


    Putin has fucked himself and he knows it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭ronivek


    They still have massive firepower in and around Ukraine; it just means a slower and more methodical approach than they tried to take during the first days. Indeed it's what they're doing right now: scorched earth as they slowly move towards larger population centres and strategic goals.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    doesn't matter one bit what Bosnians or Kosovans did against the Serbs. Serbian were the offenders, they were the ones that started the conflicts, against their own countrymen at the time. Serbs committed horrendous was crimes at the time. End of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Whilst Ukraine are getting intelligence from NATO they also have their own fleets of both military reconnaissance drones and commercial drones which they've bought or have been donated since the war started; and they seem to be using them to good effect.

    They also operate artillery and mortar radar which can determine direction of incoming fire; and that's something they have been using and perfecting on the Donbass front since 2014.

    EDIT: And their air force are still flying 5-10 combat missions daily according to the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I have a Russian friend whose grandfather made a pun about a Soviet politician, not an offensive or insulting one, he was taken away the following night and never seen again.


    That's the norm,not an exception.


    How many people do you know here who that happened to.



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not surprising that the first two are just carbon copies of what Putin did in the last few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    In colonial Ireland it happened all the time.


    Choosing an attraction for bravery over cowardice and choosing to admire one over the other is not a sin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Russia can still win this part of the war, at massive cost and inability to hold long term.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Not to the same degree in the last 150 years, in the 1600s certainly the norm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    May Perun / Taranis protect these brave warriors, Glori Don Ucrain! Slava Ukraine!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Serbian war songs are INSANE have you heard them?


    Warning this is HIGHLY offensive. And i agree with NOTHING of course.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Crazy splice of info from the watch dogs that should be providing info to the wider public

    From this clip, you would think we need to go war until the last person is asking a question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Up until after the war of independence it very much was. You could be arrested for carrying a hurley stick!


    Our grandparents were tough motherfuckers!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    it does and it will keep on happening until the russians overcome it through rebellion.


    That is the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,924 ✭✭✭thomil


    The big question is whether the messed up Russian supply network will be able to keep up with such a scorched Earth campaign. The increase in firepower required by this requires insane amounts of ammunition to be readily available to the troops at the front. Given how thinly stretched Russian manpower is at the moment, how poorly "recruitment" efforts are going, I just don't see how they'd be able to effectively protect their supply lines. They can't really bring in many more Army units from other military districts without reducing them to a level that leaves them vulnerable there, particularly in the Caucasus and the Far East. Now granted, Russia could begin calling up reservists, but that could very well be the straw that breaks the camel's back for the population in Russia. I mentioned in an earlier post that they won't rise up until their backs are against the wall. Having men drafted just for the war in Ukraine might be such a moment.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭circadian




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Time isn't really on Russia's side, here, because every day they continue this war, they are deepening bad blood with the West, making China increasingly nervous, and giving Russia's public and politicians a reason to overthrow Putin. Every day that this war continues beyond the initially speculated time frame gives a chance for tensions somewhere to erupt into a situation that Putin did not bargain for at all.

    And it wouldn't just be Russia changing tactics. The Ukrainian side would be adapting as well. For example, the attrition shelling approach the Russians appear to be adopting could be sorely impaired by the switchblade drones that's the Americans are supposed to be supplying to Ukraine. Speaking of supply, I wouldn't be at all surprised if NATO was supplying real time strategic guidance to the Ukrainian military by looking at satellite feeds and telling Ukrainian soldiers what to hit, where to hit and when to hit it.

    In a war of conquest it's worth remembering that when you take a city, you usually have to leave forces behind to hold it. While 180,000 troops sounds like a lot, when you factor in the above, the march to Kyiv suddenly sounds tougher. To add to that, Ukrainians are digging in and they are preparing in those cities which have not yet undergone sustained assault, and this is against a Russian force that is under supplied or inept or demoralised to the extent that they're still struggling to take cities on the edge of Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,748 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Speaking with Erdogan

    Putin is also demanding parts of eastern Ukraine and acceptance from Zelenskiy that Crimea be a permanent part of Russia.


    Then next year he wants a little bit more and the year after a little bit more and ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    I think the sticking points will be if the two areas of the Donbass have any say in the future of Ukraine. Crimea is lost, it will be Russian land in the peace deal. Will the two territories in the donbass areas have a say in how Ukraine moves forward is a strong question that needs answering from the peace talks

    My own preferred out come is it's only crimea that is lost, but I accept the two areas will follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,805 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    There was plenty of details in that article if you read between the lines. The Garda head of counter terrorism basically told 30 terrorist ISIS fighters who are living in Ireland that they are being surveilled, their phones and internet traffic are being tapped. Now why would the Gardai be telling known terrorists that kind of information? All it does is give them an advantage to make sure their communications are secure. Why spend all that money on phone hacking equipment and then tell the targets you're hacking their phones, it is complete amateur hour from these blabber mouths who are always leaking to the media.

    Pius the poster you were replying to @cnocbui was right- senior Gardai management in the Phoenix Park do not have a handle on counter terrorism in this country. If you think that they do then youre being really naive. London, Paris, Madrid all thought the same thing yet they still got hit. ,Gardai in the counter intelligence and terrorism branch being blabber mouths to the media is going to make an attack in Ireland more likely, not less likely.



  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gardai only give out the information that they want given out.

    Prevention is always better then cure.

    gardai have,and have always had a handle on counter terrorism and terrorism in this country. You do not know better then an organisation who have been dealing with terrorism for their entire existence. Other police forces learn from the vast experience of AGS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Me2U2


    Can Russia afford 'slower and more methodical' at this point? At this rate the extreme economic cost and the stream of bodybags coming back could cause Russia to collapse before Ukraine. Would like to see a peace deal but what are Russia going to accept as a reasonable reward for the huge cost they have faced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Thats been happening a lot in even more recent times than your friends grandfathers time, in Syria, to be exact, and even with kids. When some school kids spray painted derogatory graffiti about the regime, they were arrested, taken to prison and badly mistreated. This mistreatment caused a reaction which rippled across the Country and helped trigger the protests which led to the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Me2U2


    I completely agree with this. The country is too large. The Russians have not taken the other big cities they thought they would. I was watching this unfold at the start on the livestream cameras in Kyiv the second or third night. I expected to see Russian tanks rolling in to the centre of Kyiv after two or three days.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    I think all territories should be returned to Ukraine, and Russia falls off the map as a kick in the a$$ for starting this brutal war. Ukraine should start using the drones supplied by the West and start bombing Moscow and St Peterburg and start shelling and firing missiles into Russian cities just like what Russinan forces are doing in Ukraine. That would be some site for Putin. Yes it may ruin Ukraines position in this war but are the West really helping them in this crisis? I don't think so or I mean they should be stopping this war not supplying weapons for Ukraine to defend itself and continue fighting and more innocent people men women and children getting killed unnecessary. If the war was stopped earlier it may stop any further escalation emerging in the coming weeks. I watched reeling in the years tonight 1999 and seeing NATO intervening when Milosevic serb forces tried to drive ethic Albanians out of Kosovo and I just wondered why NATO can't do this in 2022? Why can't NATO just grow a pair and make conditions to Russia that enough is enough and failure to cease fire at a certain point from now involves us NATO coming in and ending the war. I can't see the Nuclear weapons as an excuse or threat of WW3 starting when I see how pathetic the Russian forces are set up in Ukraine. They are getting destroyed by the Ukrainian resistance who are nowhere in the level of NATO. Russian army would just be destroyed. I think the West still has some dealings in the background with Russia like holding onto oil supplies that are preventing them going to war with Russia. Too many Western economies depend on Russias oil. The world of politics is always corrupt doesn't matter what side you are on. NATO intervening when it suits them says it all.


    Putin just needs to be shot dead or else tied onto the back of a lorry and dragged along the road to the Hague where he will have a painful death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,424 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




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