P&O Ferries to Make a Major Announcement.

Dempo1 · 17-03-2022 1:32pm #1

Breaking News, it would appear P&O ferries have said they are about to make a major announcement.

Reports suggest they are about to sack their entire UK workforce and replace them with cheaper Labour.

If true , its shocking.

All Ferries have been Told to stay Put and further reports, new crews waiting to Take over.

https://twitter.com/POferries/status/1504358800433811461

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 1:58pm

Shocking if they’re let get away with it. Could turn nasty. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Dempo1 · 17-03-2022 2:03pm

I'm open to correction but wasn't there a similar stunt with Irish Ferries a few years ago 🤔

Snugbugrug28 · 17-03-2022 2:06pm

Boris - Pay your employees higher wages. Brexit Britain will be a high income paradise for British people

P&O - You're all fired

Dempo1 · 17-03-2022 2:22pm

Confirmed , 800 being made redundant, Existing crews refusing to leave vessels, this is going to get ugly.

waterwelly · 17-03-2022 2:40pm

Crazy, and yes, I remember something about Irish ferries the same.

But just recently were stena advertising for Irish staff, which they normally never needed to do.

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 3:05pm

P&O Ferries is owned by Dubai-based logistics giant DP World. The CEO of DP World is Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem - whose firm reported a $896million (£683) profit last year and soaring revenues.

P&O is no longer British. Looks like Dubai Royal is trying to replace the staff with slave labour from very poor countries with terms and conditions from Dubai. ie these workers will be slaving away for 200 euro a month and can be summarily dismissed.

The British government need to start seizing Dubai owned property now and put manners on them

Atlantic Dawn · 17-03-2022 3:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797935#Comment_118797935

Yes and the ships all re-registered in Cyprus to cut down on running costs.

Atlantic Dawn · 17-03-2022 3:08pm

I was going to suggest that existing staff should take the ships out and scuttle them but that would actually suit the owners in cleaning their hands of the ships and getting the insurance money.

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 3:08pm

From the link I posted earlier

“P&O Ferries confirmed it had handed 800 staff severance notices, adding that it was losing £100m year on year and its survival was 'dependent on making swift and significant changes'. It preceded the announcement of job losses by dramatically ordering all its ships back to port and kicking off bemused passengers with little warning”

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 3:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798180#Comment_118798180

sail them east and sell them to india or China. Don#t see Dubai standing up to either

Dempo1 · 17-03-2022 3:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798171#Comment_118798171

I vaguely recall that, I was doing a lot of travel to Swansea and back in 2010/2012 and preferred Stena by a long shot .

greenfield21 · 17-03-2022 3:22pm

https://www.newstalk.com/news/protesters-accuse-irish-ferries-of-flying-foreign-flags-to-avoid-paying-minimum-wage-486284

Old article but Irish Ferries seem to have done it in 2006. What would the pay here be and what laws would they be using..?

In a statement Irish Ferries said: “As is common practice in international maritime shipping and cruising, Irish Ferries uses the services of expert providers to crew its ships, as it has done since 2006.

bucketybuck · 17-03-2022 3:47pm

I'm always in two minds about stories like this. If they are losing £100m a year then they aren't a viable business, thats just the way it is. Saying that they should be supported by the parent company is rather myopic, what exactly is the point of throwing money into a failed business? Its business, not charity or social support after all.

The staff locking themselves on the ships is rather pointless, does it change the fact they are losing £100m a year? Because if not then it doesn't do a damn bit of good.

Flinty997 · 17-03-2022 4:01pm

If it wasn't viable you'd think they'd shut it down.

This seems like cost cutting solely on pay and conditions.

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 4:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798320#Comment_118798320

I don’t think that all the employees are being let go. It’s got 4,000 employees in total.

Donald Trump · 17-03-2022 4:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798182#Comment_118798182

It preceded the announcement of job losses by dramatically ordering all its ships back to port and kicking off bemused passengers with little warning”

At least it didn't make them walk the plank mid-voyage

Flinty997 · 17-03-2022 4:36pm

Would those on the ship be subject to different pay and conditions laws. Can they be given terms that would be illegal in the countries they sail to, but are legal where the ships are registered or something.

MrMusician18 · 17-03-2022 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798288#Comment_118798288

It depends if they are real or engineered losses.

Atlantic Dawn · 17-03-2022 5:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798320#Comment_118798320

Yes it's a strange one, some routes would be profitable, about a year ago Irish ferries started running a ship on the Dover to Calais route which was something they never did before. I think their Liverpool to Dublin and Hull to Rotterdam routes have suffered from big dips in freight numbers as a result of Brexit with lots of companies preferring to avoid the UK land bridge altogether.

KildareP · 17-03-2022 5:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798422#Comment_118798422

Yes. Flag of convenience is the term.

Irish Ferries did something similar in 2006 - you'll notice all their ships are registered in Limassol and fly the Cyprus flag.

They therefore only have to adhere to the laws and regulations of Cyprus - one immediate benefit being that Cyprus has no legally defined minimum wage for example.

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 5:20pm

Slave labour waiting on the quays and now employing a local "security" company's toughs to evict the workers. Stay classy Dubai!

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 5:22pm

A guy on sky news says private security was deployed wearing balaclavas while carrying tasers and handcuffs. They were seen carrying and escorting people from the ships. What’s the issue, will they not be getting paid severance?

Flinty997 · 17-03-2022 5:22pm

It's a global market and all that. But if people support this by using the company this mindset will spread until you yourself are out of work.

Dempo1 · 17-03-2022 5:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798545#Comment_118798545

I gather the issue was the company's appalling tactics was going to cause a reaction, apparently there was replacement crews in vans , waiting at ports to take over.

A captain on one ship in Hull basically refused to allow anything or anybody on or off his ship, he's negotiating with management at the moment.

This was planned and disgraceful, also talk of the company using recruitment agencies over the past month.

At a minimum the company should have met with staff in advance , bad enough staff being let go to facilitate cheaper labor but then to poo on them , it's outrageous behaviour.

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 6:10pm

Hopefully this will be all the UK news, show them what the money behind a load of the horses at Cheltenham today is also used for. Show them what their government allows to happen. Any guts and whatever licence they sail under should be suspended immediately.

[Deleted User] · 17-03-2022 6:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798664#Comment_118798664

Eh?

BorneTobyWilde · 17-03-2022 7:45pm

Makes no sense, ships are full, especially with Trucks and Freight, just put up the prices a tad so that you turn a profit, what alternative would shippers have, drive their trucks into the sea to see how far they get.

Gregor Samsa · 17-03-2022 9:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118798288#Comment_118798288

The company didn’t say they’re losing £100 million a year. They said they’d lost £100 million “year on year” - meaning in the last year. Last year was very obviously an exceptional one in the business of international travel, but all signs are that this year will be better.

Basically it looks like they’re using the excuse of coming out of a year of Covid damage to their business to completely restructure their labour arrangements to the detriment of their staff (both the current/outgoing ones and proposed replacements). A cynical and opportunistic move.

Suckit · 17-03-2022 9:14pm

Many customers being interviewed on Sky News.

The owners (probably already mentioned) of P&O are one of the main shareholders of Freeports in UK, which apparently gives the UK Government very little room to force their hand.

bucketybuck · 17-03-2022 9:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799242#Comment_118799242

I don't pretend to know all the financial details of P+O Ferries, but it wasn't covid that hurt the freight industry last year, it was Brexit. I know first hand that Covid and all the home deliveries led to bumper years for a lot of people, but Brexit and all its bullshit with customs paperwork and duties was a huge factor in changing the supply chains into Ireland, and freight dependant ferries obviously suffered because of it.

The point being that covid has gone but the Brexit problems have not, which means that last year very likely may not be exceptional at all. For example, for our own company we have solid plans to move our supply chains to be direct from France to Ireland cutting out the UK landbridge altogether. We are hardly unique, and if I owned a ferry operating from Larne or Dublin right now then I would be very concerned about the future.

P&O Ferries to Make a Major Announcement.

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