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TheValeyard · 16-03-2022 10:55AM

Looks like the Russians are in a lot of trouble.

Hobgoblin11 · 16-03-2022 10:56AM

After visiting Kyiv, Polish, Slovenian and Czech delegations returned safely to Poland, - the government spokesman @PiotrMuller informed

Bayonet · 16-03-2022 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792380#Comment_118792380

I think what gave it away, was when the 'super power' asked China for ready made meals and military equipment, and Syria for volunteers.

Donald Trump · 16-03-2022 11:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792373#Comment_118792373

Given that Russia may be off limits for a travel destination for the foreseeable future, would you like to add the benefit of your experience to my upcoming business venture?

I'm proposing to set up a facility to replicate the 90's Russian village travel experience down in Leitrim. I've been talking to the banks about it and the only reluctance is that it might take too much money to bring Leitrim up to that standard of living so quickly - even if it was just for a single village facility.

ZX7R · 16-03-2022 11:01AM

Poland, check and Slovenia have offered to go into Ukraine as a peace keeping force.

The offer is to be discussed with the North Atlantic alliance and the United nations.

Hobgoblin11 · 16-03-2022 11:03AM

Germany has publicly confirmed the purchase of 35 US-made F-35A fighter jets. To combat Russian supremacy

TheValeyard · 16-03-2022 11:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792394#Comment_118792394

You'd wonder if this could actually lead to a bitter collapse for the Russian Federation. Right now id say there are many regions that would be interesting in breaking away and thinking about options.

Loafing Oaf · 16-03-2022 11:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792028#Comment_118792028

it's not like Russia has nothing to fear from the idea of western militaries based in Ukraine, especially southern and eastern Ukraine. Within living memory an alliance of western powers tried to exterminate them. In the Russian psyche, that stuff looms large.

Yeah but those 'concerns' don't reflect the reality of 21st century warfare. If the United States/NATO was to launch an unprovoked attack on Russia (and assuming they stuck to conventional weapons), most of the meaningful 'fighting' would be done from the air, as US planes wipe out their Russian counterparts and Russian ground military installations. The 'tanks rolling east across the steppes' part would be in effect a mopping-up operation/victory parade. Rational people in the Russian political/military leadership know this, which is why I dispute that their objections to Ukraine joining NATO are rooted in genuine concerns about Russia's security. The problem is Putin himself may no longer be thinking entirely rationally...

Hobgoblin11 · 16-03-2022 11:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792423#Comment_118792423

the longer this drags on the thinner their troops will be on the ground in those far-flung places so their ability to fight breakaway movements will be diminished

1800_Ladladlad · 16-03-2022 11:07AM

Russian Major General Oleg Mityaev, commander of the 150th Motorized Rifle Division. Killed about two days, confirmed dead today

A Russian Major Aleksandr Jegorov of the 103rd Rocket Brigade, killed by Ukrainian forces yesterday.

EltonJohn69 · 16-03-2022 11:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792445#Comment_118792445

Good riddance. I very much doubt that his family will receive the compensation that putin was promising on tv last week.

Wibbs · 16-03-2022 11:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792373#Comment_118792373

The few Russians I know were born and bred in rural Russia, far from Moscow, one from the depths of Siberia, with most coming to regional cities later on for education, secondary and third level. From what they've told me over the years, yes rural Russia(including the smaller cities) is a different world to the big cities in the West like Moscow, but that even in those rural areas things are different and much better off than the real lows of the 1990's after the USSR fell apart which their age group lived through. One can't base an experience of 90's Russia with the Russia of today. Having lived in the West for years and going back from time to time, they see the contrast and improvements even more starkly.

And that contrast they attribute in large parts to putin. That he alone stopped the rot and reversed it. An image he promotes of course. A lot of his base of Russian support seems to come from that, particularly in the age group of those who lived through and remember the 1990's. Of younger Russians and their views, far more shaped by Western thought, media and indeed the trappings of same living in the big cities in the West, I have zero clue tbh. Though I suspect his support base there would be far more shaky. They don't share the same history and history of misplaced "gratitude" of their parents and grandparents.

They're putin's biggest danger and why I believe he's far more concerned about the long term effect on his younger generation seeing Ukraine being in the EU than it being in NATO. IMHO NATO is the big fear stick he waves to the world and his subjects, to distract from his real fear of an economically growing, stable, uncorrupt, democratic and liberal Ukraine in the EU. Starbucks, Apple stores and BMW dealerships in Ukraine are a far bigger threat to his regime than missile silos.

mcmoustache · 16-03-2022 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792423#Comment_118792423

If Khadyrov were to meet a nasty end in Ukraine, Chechnia could get interesting.

HerrKuehn · 16-03-2022 11:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792373#Comment_118792373

Are you sure you aren't describing the Rocky IV training montage?

JoChervil · 16-03-2022 11:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791800#Comment_118791800

I can't imagine the Poles or Czechs going on a solo run like this. They are NATO and EU members and quite used to only taking collective decisions (there was nothing particularly controversial about the three PMs visiting Kyiv today).

You must be kidding and you don't know current Poland at all. PiS (currently a ruling party there) is not a team player. This party goes against EU for the last 6 years and is isolated there. It is always their way or highway. And they are idiots able to endanger the whole world with a simliar ideas to Putin's ones about "greatness of their country". They are the same dangerously delusional...

Working class heroes · 16-03-2022 11:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792591#Comment_118792591

Yes, I accept that. But it's when it's used in describing another person/s(in any circumstances) that I have a problem with.

Danzy · 16-03-2022 11:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792592#Comment_118792592

They certainly are causing Putin significant problems and intent on doing more.

They understand, as does the entire EU leadership that Russia can still win long term through attrition, through sheer numbers. It may come at a massive cost but the Ukraine will be leveled and half its population in Western Europe and Russia facing in to years of rebuilding.

The question in Berlin and Brussels is does that mean we get cheap gas again? For Poland and others it means that their brutal communist overlord is next door and recouping.

Poland has been exceptional in all this, the Merkel approach to look at them annexing Crimea and Still decide in going ahead with Nordstream 2 and on top of that begining to gut German energy.

Poland is right to be wary of those in either direction, historically and recently.

Thankfully for all of us in Western Europe they are.

JoChervil · 16-03-2022 11:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792607#Comment_118792607

What problem exactly?

Dyr · 16-03-2022 11:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792445#Comment_118792445

Is it any wonder the Russians are low on food supplies, there's some feeding in those boys

Curious_Case · 16-03-2022 11:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792617#Comment_118792617

Ha ha, what was that classic film? - "Porky Park"

JoChervil · 16-03-2022 11:48AM

Poland has been exceptional in all this.

Poles, not polish government...

Loafing Oaf · 16-03-2022 11:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792617#Comment_118792617

Can imagine those lads' subordinates having this sort of exchange (out of their earshot)

16-03-2022 11:53AM

Via The Grauniad:

Kremlin’s spokesperson Dmitry Peskov on Wednesday said that Ukraine becoming a neutral state with a status comparable to Austria and Sweden is being discussed at talks with Kyiv and would be a “compromise”.

“This is an option that is being discussed now and that can be considered as a compromise,” Kremlin spokesman Peskov told journalists, raising hopes of an end to the biggest war in Europe since World War Two.

Bayonet · 16-03-2022 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792423#Comment_118792423

Well, if you're a region within Russia and are now sanctioned to the eyeballs.....could be a time to have a referendum. Imagine Putin ends up losing more regions because of this. I don't think he'd survive that.

16-03-2022 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792652#Comment_118792652

Never missing an opportunity...

is_that_so · 16-03-2022 11:54AM

Kremlin’s spokesperson Dmitry Peskov on Wednesday said that Ukraine becoming a neutral state with a status comparable to Austria and Sweden is being discussed at talks with Kyiv and would be a “compromise”.

Russia’s chief negotiator in the talks with Ukraine Vladimir Medinsky said that the Austrian and Swedish models would mean Ukraine will be able to keep its army but won’t be allowed to host foreign bases or troops.

Much better noises today from the Russians and definitely something they could call a win. It's no skin off Zelinskiy's nose to tone down the NATO angle completely and it can be claimed Russia has influenced him.

Bayonet · 16-03-2022 11:54AM

https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/status/1504033406971228164?s=20&t=aRa_8b9JrGdoL_csWr9N6g

Longing · 16-03-2022 11:58AM

Attack yesterday at Kherson airport.

Russian unit very man for themselves no orderly convoy here.

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1503831927245230086?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1503831927245230086%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FMilitarylandnet2Fstatus2F1503831927245230086widget%3DTweet

Bayonet · 16-03-2022 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792592#Comment_118792592

Steady on mate. They've taken in 1.5m refugees. Just because they don't toe the EU (German and French) line all the time, doesn't mean the nation is some hellhole. The French can keep their Parisian ghettos if they want, but Poland has chosen a different path. Not all nations have to have the exact same policies you know.

is_that_so · 16-03-2022 12:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792710#Comment_118792710

Was there drink taken?

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After visiting Kyiv, Polish, Slovenian and Czech delegations returned safely to Poland, - the government spokesman @PiotrMuller informed