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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    we are no longer neutral then we are the mammy of Nato, a warm jumper and a hot meal for all

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A Russian drone violated Polish airspace today near Lviv. It was shot down by Ukraine. The concern is Russia is now actively seeking weapon transports from the west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    From a strategic position Russia should have been able to take Ukraine in 2-3 days. Whats happening now is that the Russian Military is an embarrassment to Putin which is unfortunate as he will raise the stakes to save face and will result in more desperate attempts to take Ukraine(chemical warfare/whatever it takes).

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭briany


    He'd probably do alright if he ran for POTUS (assuming Trump wasn't also in the race), but he'd be another Russian asset in the White House like Trump was, if only because of his ability to polarise and paralyse.

    It's good that the mask fully fell from Putin's face in such a way that even a casual onlooker can see exactly what he is. There were/are loads of right wing agitators on the periphery of Western politics who'd like to rule as Putin does, including Carlson. Funny to see them (mostly) backtracking now, but it's a great wake up call as well. Anodyne democracy ain't so bad, if you can get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    Isn't he something like the most popular pundit on TV over there? It's like they are on another dimension that fragmented off reality sometime in the mid-90s. Is he just a professional contrarian? I grew up in the 1980s and I just can't get my head around Americans sitting in front of the TV and some dick is telling them to support Russia.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Yes they are embarrassing and personally I'd kick them both squarely up the arse with extreme prejudice on my part.

    But and make no fúcking mistake folks, that's part and parcel of our free democratic society that we should defend at all fúcking costs, especially in times of trouble and confusion and the clamouring voices of the majority, and all too often the mob. The freedom to hear dissenting voices, no matter how much they may irritate, even inflame, is the price we pay and yes, the bonus of living in a free democratic society.

    Because without dissenting voices we're not free and we're not democratic and we can't hope to move forward. And it's dissenting voices against the majority and the Accepted Truth(tm) de jour that has all too often given us the rights and freedoms we hold so dear today and will give us the rights and freedoms of tommorow.

    Put it another way; if this boards.ie was around in 1940's Ireland, the vast majority posting today, yes you, who are so fúcking sure of your postiton, opinion and morality; you, and me with it, would almost certainly have been anti divorce, anti contraception, anti Gay, anti secularism, anti a woman's right to choose, anti gender equality, anti race equality, anti equal pay and a host of other things, while polishing your rosary beads. If you think you wouldn't be, I'm afraid the stats are against you.

    We're not that today, precisely because of many dissenting voices that didn't agree, while the rest of us caught up. Finally. Most people in a society are cock sure they're on the right side of history, it's the dissenting voices that regularly point out to us that we're not.

    In putin's facist Russia, dissenting voices are absent, or pilloried, or worse. This very evening a brave woman stood up on Russian TV to show her dissent. And she will be "absent", or worse. That's putin's and their problem. It shouldn't ever be ours. It can't be ours. Not if we value the society we've built and live in and hope to preserve and improve for all. if voices like Daly and Wallace are the price we pay for our freedom? I'll happily pay it. It's cheap at twice the fúcking price.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,887 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’d say tripping over themselves to distance themselves from Putin now. From what I can gather amongst the grass roots republican Putin is a red rag to them. Traditionally they were fiercely anti communist/Russian so it would appear that natural instinct is still there and/or at least a return to it.

    I also feel this has massively dented any hopes trump had of 2024. His Putin links will be thrown in his face at every juncture but will stuck much more now as Putin is in the front of world subconscious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Running the tremendous risk of complimenting him, I think he had no redeeming ethical qualities but he was far more intelligent and extremely charismatic than Putin. Putin isn't in the same ballpark, if Hitler had access to modern weaponry the results would have been even more perverse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭h2005


    I guess given the names many would have assumed he and the producer are Ukrainian?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    The problem I have with them two is that is unlikely to be the mandate they were voted in on. Few extra bob in the social welfare, unicorn housing programmes, tax the super wealthy. Being an apologist for that cretin in the Kremlin? I highly doubt it.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian



    I think US Intelligence who have been all the ball throughout are more credible than Alan Shatter tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    Thats the part I dont get. Mc Carthyism still lives on in the grass roots Republicans. They fear the big red devil however Putin is the total opposite of what communism stands for. ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    Yeah, I see your point, I've no problem with dissenting voices at all. It does make me uncomfortable that they are voting in the place of their constituents and embarrassing the country. There's no doubt they have the support of the small minority of hard liners, but they didn't get them over the line in the elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭wassie


    Thats the difference between the US & Russia.

    In the states you get a choice of what BS you watch......and you probably have to pay for it.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    They should all be given phones with sim cards or some sort of GPS panic devices.

    I have no doubt that traffickers will take advantage. Surely the tech tools are in place to mitigate against these pricks in 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,361 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I think it's simple enough, the us, the west and the global capitalist liberal system, has the current world map tilted in their favour. It's in their interest to get through these rough patches without being forced to make any major moves or take risks. That is what NATO is hoping for, committing forces in a conventional war would tilt things slightly in china's favour. Both sides playing a very long game, Russia is just a stooge .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,703 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    If Putin 'wins' Ukraine then what will he do next? He'll be seen as a hero by his people and then on to his next project.

    My argument, and I know it sounds risky, is to kill this now as fast as possible, otherwise we might very well regret not being more forceful to begin with.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And chances are good they may not get re-elected again.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,209 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Macron skips a couple of shaves and wears a hoodie of a French military unit he has nothing to do with to try and get the Zelensky look, commentator on Sky News there just called him a poundshop Zelensky, slightly pathetic:

    see.news/photos-of-macron-trying-to-mirror-zelenskyys-look/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'd say that these foreign mercenary's fighting with the Ukrainians have contributed massively to the sudden increase of the Nr of Russian senior army officers deaths... worth expending 30 cruise missiles on, which shows just how desperate they are getting.



  • Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Esther Calm Valedictorian


    Just seen that. Cringy as ****. And I thought Macron had been the best performing Western Leader in all of this up until this point.

    This is clearly a PR stunt ahead of elections. Transparent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    President Zelensky said that Russia suffered more losses during the war in Ukraine than during the 2 wars in Chechnya

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You keep linking to this map. It includes the links to the actual sources so why not just link to the sources otherwise anyone following your link has to search through the newsfeed and try to figure out what is the correct link.

    Also, give it a rest with the header font, it's grating



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    I think it's worth remembering what happened when Russia invaded Georgia. George W. Bush sent American troops to the capital of Georgia and Russian troops started to retreat. The US said they would not act to protect Georgia directly but if they were attacked or threatened they would respond. They also sent a flotilla of ships carrying aid, protected by the navy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,887 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    That is pathetic and staged alright- desperate scramble to look “war time” presidential that Zelenskyy has carried out so well. Completely at odds with anything I’ve seen from macron to date- generally woke and “I know best” style that grates on me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,836 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Cheney leaked that cruise missiles were locked and loaded…. and putin retreated…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    It should be pointed out W sanctioned that as he was afraid they would head south into Florida



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    It was well co-ordinated, Condoleeza Rice publicly leaked that Lavrov demanded, during a private phone call, the removal of the democratic government as a condition for peace, but that she insisted this was not negotiable. The Georgian government were still there after the Russians left.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Putin may not be a communist but he leads like one, treats his people like he is one, uses a lot of their language and so on.


    To the Russian on the ground, it's a familiar story.



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