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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,148 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Ukraine was looking westward - I agree. Russia, however, was not willing to change itself in any appreciable way in an effort to keep Ukraine onside. If Russia were willing to bend, to evolve, to improve itself in some ways, would there be such a need to try and dominate its sphere of influence with military brutality? Maybe not. Therefore I think there are fundamental ideological factors that also lead to war, not just a simple disagreement of the allocation of natural resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    any chance of today's peace talks going anywhere? The Russians seem to be opening up more now to dialogue

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It was expected being they need to replace their Older Tornados , hence why they are only taking 35



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    While always hopeful, you'd worry that Russia is using this time to sort out logistical issues.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,148 ✭✭✭✭briany


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    Looks like a happy camper. Is that the only facial expression he can make?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭omega man


    Serious in your face reality of urban warfare.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That sight on that 30 mm canon seemed a bit off,or is it just me?

    Do those canons use stabilizer at all?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Well sure, but the answer is obvious - Ukraine is a young country which is very plentiful with natural resources. Up until recently they were pretty much under Putin's thumb with a Russian puppet in charge but the Ukrainian people said - "**** that, we don't want to be under your control, we want to decide our own destiny"

    Said puppet was ousted - democracy brought to Ukraine bringing them more in line with Western countries.

    Pretty much, but they had a long way to go in that line with Western countries. They were on that line alright but if you go back to 2020/21 any reporting about Ukraine, from within(a step forward in itself) and without was talking about how behind they were in many aspects of that line. The most corrupt nation in Europe outside Russia, with a number of names on the Pandora list including Zelenskyy, Bakanov the head of their internal security service and their ally Kolomoyskyi, one of the richest men in Ukraine, banned from entering the US because he was seen as a "serious threat to the future of Ukraine" and the owner of the TV station that produced Zelenskyy's TV show that later mirrored reality and put money on the heads of separatists. Never mind the clusterfúck of epic proportions of the the civil war in the East of the nation where neither side showered themselves with good works. To be fair to Bakanov he did start to seriously go after corruption. As did Zelenskyy, who also sought to remove the cult of personality BS around his office and even added a law that made the office of Ukrainian president open to prosecution.

    The upshot being that before the facist in Moscow decided to do what facists tend to do, Ukraine had a very long road ahead to becoming a Western European nation. IMHO - and this will sound odd - this horror from the Kremlin visited upon their land will be the making of Ukraine. If they give up the Donbas(and I would drop it like a hot rock and get rid of that powderkeg carbuncle, let Russia deal with it) this will stabilise the rest of the country. The world's sympathy and support is near complete, but it also means the beady eye will be on them to make good their claims and aims to become a liberal Western democracy. Ukraine will need rebuilding and again IMHO the EU should go in all guns blazing on that front. A Marshall Plan for Ukraine. And like that plan that elevated post war Germany and boosted the coffers of the US, it'll do the same for the EU and Ukraine and rebuild Ukraine in her image and ours in the EU.

    Putin may rage about them looking at NATO, but he'll die of apoplexy if Russia's Ukrainian 'brothers and sisters' end up in the EU. It'll starkly show him and his subjects the stark difference between the shíthole he's leaving them and how good Ukrainians have it. A nice house, a nice car in the driveway, disposable income and a better freer future for you and your kids is a bigger weapon than any gun or bomb. That's how you fúck putin right up the fundament.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Looks like on the second vehicle they saw the troops positioned behind it and lowered their aim to try bounce rounds under the vehicle and take them out



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Russia would be wise to remember that the wind doesn't blow just one way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Usually the sights are off being they don't sit on the gun ,so there is usually some difference between whats on a screen and where the bullets hit ,and yes it's 30mm cannon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Russia has said it has not asked China for military resources, as it has enough resources for its onslaught on Ukraine, on UKRAINE, no mention of the resouces in general for its next annexation

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well i have seen 30 mm on cv90 shoot before ans its not as shaky and unclear as this picture and alot more accurate and powerful as well



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You don't need to be constantly parroting your 'both sides' line. Of course it's facism.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    We should not join NATO in my opinion, but what we need in the EU is an EU wide defense only military. This would need to have written into its constitution that it could not be joining adventures abroad looking for non-existent WMD. Our military needs much greater investment in cyber warfare, more highly skilled troops but less numbers overall. We don't need to have thousands of boot polishers hanging around the barracks. The type of conflict we might be involved in has moved on since the 20th C.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    That lad was 100% playing eye of the tiger with that gun on the 2nd apc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Russian tech is no where near as good as the swedish cv90 variants.

    Definitely not stablised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I'm guessing completely here, but it looks like the commander view, whereas the gunner likely has different optics

    Fairly new piece of kit too. Bloody fast, can go up to 110 km/h. I think the Ukrainians have about 60 to 80 of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTR-4

    This is grim I know but if you look closely you can see the Russian infantry hiding behind the targeted vehicle, so it seems the gunner fired explosive rounds under the vehicle also



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Your use of the words "boot polishers" to describe military personnel is both ignorant and disrespectful, but does qualify your level of understanding


    Nobody tends to call a plumber until they have a leak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Ok, sorry perhaps it was a bit disrespectful. We need a smaller number of troops who are more highly skilled. We are much more likely to be under cyber attack than we are to be invaded by a traditional military.



  • Posts: 2,015 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Actually its a remote controlled unmanned turret so that makes more sense,and produced in Ukraine,but i am not not sure if this is the version seen in the video

    Nice piece of kit for sure

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I'm not convinced at this stage by the merits of joining NATO, primarily on the basis that we are not under any territorial threat and also on the basis that I don't think we bring much to the table at this stage without huge spending that seems unnecessary. However, I can see the problem where we wave neutrality around as this kind of tacit restatement of us being this happy-go-lucky little country that wouldn't hurt a fly, and prompting many Irish people to adopt this sense of having a moral high ground over other countries in the so-called West. There's a sense of: "We go to Africa or Lebanon or the Mediterranean waters and we keep the peace and provide aid -- we aren't like those imperialist Brits or those imperialist Americans!"

    Don't get me wrong, a lot of that is fair, but it can sometimes feel like a moral get-out clause -- in that we are happy to profit from the Western system (which we have done quite handsomely here over the last few decades) so long as we can pretend that when it comes to Western transgressions in the world we can wash our hands of any sense of moral culpability. We will take all the American FDI and benefits of European integration -- the fruits of participation in the Western system -- but be slow to recognise that we are essentially profiteering from things like US hegemony and indirectly benefiting from the massive insurance policy of the Western system that any attack or invasion by agressors against the NATO alliance will rain fire down upon the Earth.

    I don't think it's a binary choice between NATO or neutrality, but we may find in the immediate years to come that our Western partners (particularly within the EU, where Macron has been pushing a common defence policy for a while now and the Germans look more prepared to go with that flow now than they did under Merkel) will be more demanding of us when it comes to nailing our flag to the mast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Some of the comments from the stupids commenting in that video rile me: Should we be liking or sharing this because it's the azov batalliion? Shouldn't we cancel them.

    79 Ukrainian children killed, almost 100 wounded, that pregnant woman wounded in the bombing of the Mariupol maternity hospital, and her baby, have died, more than 2,500 people killed in Mariupol and these scum are worried about the ideology of some of the people fighting against this abomination of a war. They should be strapped to the front of that BMP while it continues to do good work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    You will struggle to find anyone who doesn't think Putin is evil.

    What's more common, however, is people trying to the understand underlying political mechanisms at play throughout this crisis

    An adult discussion perhaps, but you and other's repeatedly decide to parrot that immature horse **** "both side" "comrade" etc etc which makes the thread read like the chat history on teenage online games forum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Australia has orderd 72 and already has about half of them delivered.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    We could do both. IE be the humanitarian wing of any common defence policy.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭Talisman


    "The Kremlin is not aware of Kadyrov's visit to a special operation site in Ukraine." 🤔

    Technically true seeing as 'The Kremlin' is a building - see what he did there? 😁

    Peskov also said that Russia hasn't asked any country for assistance. 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,174 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    True, but Putin doesn't give toss for Russians and unfortunately the prevailing wind direction is south, not NE.



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