F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2022 11:26AM

They were discussing it on the-race podcast and they said it will cause headache for drivers. That sounds like a minor inconvenience but it actually sounds like concussion type injury. The last time porpoising happened was before anyone gave a shyte about concussions in sport. Now it's different. I think they'll have to sort it out one way or another because they can't have drivers heads rattling around if it leads to concussions.

Is it actually a big problem for speed? If they're bobbing on the straight, what different does it make? Does it have a big impact on breaking for the next turn or if cars are fighting on the straight and they need to quickly turn while porpoising.

Joeface · 13-03-2022 12:14PM

They run the car as low as possible to maximise aero affects , but if they run a higher engine mode can the just run the car slightly higher to Reduce the porpoise-ing/Tortoise-ing/ juddering/bouncing , It wont eliminate it for them but Might make it something they can live with and compete with until an upgrade is found .

Yes , No , Typing through my hole ?

After looking back at some footage , Alpine is almost as bad as Mercedes for it

Dont be at yourself · 13-03-2022 12:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118778170#Comment_118778170

That's the challenge -- the 'easy' fix is to raise the ride height, which will eliminate porpoising but also have a big negative impact on ground effect, which is how the majority of the cars' downforce is generated under the new regs.

Captain_Crash · 13-03-2022 12:28PM

So now that testing is done what do people think of Merc? Lewis said yesterday that they won’t be competing for wins this year… do we think there is any truth in that? The car looked horrible yesterday on corners and the porpoising on the straights looked very uncomfy! Are they sandbagging or are the problems concerning?

flazio · 13-03-2022 12:34PM

I wonder if "skirts" might help.

https://youtu.be/lWIwFj0zJwY

Burkie1203 · 13-03-2022 02:17PM

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As soon as Russell finished a quick lap attempt he backed off immediately to a crawl and he was 2 seconds plus off the Red Bull times, his head was all over the place. Ocon I think had a similar problem.

Red Bull don't seem impacted by it to any where near the same degree

I was hoping we would have Mclaren, Ferrari and at least one other team in the fight for pole next week.

If Merc (or Red Bull) rock up and blow the field away it will be very disappointing. Hope we see a top ten next Sunday all close together at the end

Joeface · 13-03-2022 04:56PM

Are they getting the 3Kg weight increase ??

TCP/IP · 13-03-2022 05:08PM

Another disaster of a season for Alphine coming up. They really are such a poor team.

Jordan 199 · 13-03-2022 06:27PM

PsychoPete · 13-03-2022 06:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118779711#Comment_118779711

They've looked really bad, one team will surely have got it reg chances wrong and it looks like it's Alpine. Going on what we've seen so far they look like they'll be in the bottom two or three teams. That pink livery is awful, it's just the racing point livery but the blue/pink isn't much better

flazio · 13-03-2022 06:46PM

You feel for Ocon, he left a team managed by Otmar Schnaffhaur (or however that's spelt) with a pink livery and an aggressive teammate. Now look where he is.

Jordan 199 · 13-03-2022 06:52PM

I'm going to hold judgement on Alpine until the season starts next weekend.

AMKC · 13-03-2022 07:16PM

So did Williams have very slim to no sodepods first and do we think Mercedes copied them with there own interpretation or were Mercedes always going to do that?

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2022 09:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780126#Comment_118780126

This is accordingbto the-race podcast, but even just from a practical point of view, they arrived at testing and their DRS didn't work. So they just kept high fuel in the car all through the test and never did low fuel runs.

Small agrument in favour if them having a better understanding of race pace due to the high fuel running, but bit of a disaster at the same time.

PsychoPete · 13-03-2022 10:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780999#Comment_118780999

They normally do but even if they are off the pace give it 4 or 5 races and they'll be at the front of the grid

quokula · 13-03-2022 10:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781100#Comment_118781100

Their biggest issue is that they haven't got on top of porpoising in the way the other top teams have, making the car more of a handful. Their strategy seems to be to get the FIA to fix it for them, they've been wheeling out George Russell to say how it's dangerous and the FIA need to do something and the usual elements in the British media have been following up talking about how it could give drivers headaches and theorizing steps the FIA could take to stop it. The rest of the teams have got on with changing their designs to iron it out.

I predict a rule change "on safety grounds" a couple of races in and Mercedes to suddenly find a bunch of performance when it happens.

bennyx_o · 13-03-2022 10:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118780949#Comment_118780949

Their DRS didn't work in Barcelona but was working in Bahrain. Otmar was on commentary for a bit during the afternoon session on Saturday and said they he wasn't sure they'd be doing low fuel runs due to the hydraulic leak & lack of DRS Barcelona so they had to catch up on running. Still think they look low mid table at best

PsychoPete · 13-03-2022 11:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781151#Comment_118781151

I'd agree, I don't doubt they'll get it sorted and be back to the front even if it's just Hamiltons car. Russell is a pr machine and do will whatever he is told. The British media is of course very much in the Merc park as usual but if RedBull,Ferrari and Mclaren are ahead of Merc then the British media will be even worse than usual and the fact its two british drivers, it will be even harder to listen too

quokula · 13-03-2022 11:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781216#Comment_118781216

Yeah Alpine seem to have a bunch of excuses between not running DRS and losing out on running time, but so far there's very little evidence that they're in a better position they were last year. Which is not good enough, this should have been the year they had an opportunity to get back up amongst the other works teams and prove they belong in the sport. What happens if they're also-rans again? Is it another holding pattern while they wait for the next new regs in 2026 and hope they get those right?

vectra · 14-03-2022 01:20AM

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Could happen, but I doubt it. The rest of the teams would most likely object to rule changes if they have got it sorted. Then it would be a Mercedes design issue and not a widespread issue.

14-03-2022 02:00AM

The teams will pretty much all have a simple way to fix the bouncing, if they want to find a way to do it and cost less time, well that's what F1 is about. :P

dulpit · 14-03-2022 06:41AM

The fix is simple right? Just raise the car. It'll slow you down a bit, so it's about finding the sweet spot. Doesn't need a rule change...

Although on the headache issue, I saw Ocon on Ted's notebook joking about needing paracetamol if it's bumpy...

Burkie1203 · 14-03-2022 06:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781668#Comment_118781668

Merc pushed for a pit stop change on safety grounds because Red Bull were better then them. So if they push for this on safety grounds because they cannot fix it .....

El_Duderino 09 · 14-03-2022 07:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781216#Comment_118781216

Ah yes. That was it. Good correction

CSWS101 · 14-03-2022 09:22AM

If Mazepin has been pulled as driver surely Uralkali are gone as sponsor as well - how do Haas have money to compete?

Joeface · 14-03-2022 09:33AM

Mick Schumacher is a Ferrari driver so I assume they get a deal on the engine price.KMag comes with his own sponsors as well , Gene haas while not a Billionaire is a very wealthy man . Given the car performance at the Test and currently the only American team I am sure they will have a number of new sponsors added. Also smallest team on the grid I believe so that also helps the financial side.

vectra · 14-03-2022 09:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118781787#Comment_118781787

That was pointed squarely at Red Bull, This would be against more teams.

duploelabs · 14-03-2022 09:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118782134#Comment_118782134

Because the cheque is already cashed probably and they can't ask for their money back

jv2000 · 14-03-2022 10:56AM

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I think I heard in an interview with Steiner that Gene Haas is willing to put a bit more money into the team and that they can survive for a while without their sponsor. It is also no accident to see them do low fuel glory runs in testing to try and attract a new sponsor. I still think their car looks better than last year but they are probably still 3rd or 2nd last in the pecking order. Between Rich Energy and Uralkali they have a good record with title sponsors... 🤣

robinwing · 14-03-2022 01:06PM

R.I.P. the legend that was Vic Elford , passed away yesterday aged 86 . Tha man who could drive anything and win in it from international rallies to F1 . Tremendous guy in all respects. He will be missed and will never be forgotten. Thanks for the memories Vic , you were unique

F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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