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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,558 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    They normally do but even if they are off the pace give it 4 or 5 races and they'll be at the front of the grid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Their biggest issue is that they haven't got on top of porpoising in the way the other top teams have, making the car more of a handful. Their strategy seems to be to get the FIA to fix it for them, they've been wheeling out George Russell to say how it's dangerous and the FIA need to do something and the usual elements in the British media have been following up talking about how it could give drivers headaches and theorizing steps the FIA could take to stop it. The rest of the teams have got on with changing their designs to iron it out.

    I predict a rule change "on safety grounds" a couple of races in and Mercedes to suddenly find a bunch of performance when it happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭bennyx_o


    Their DRS didn't work in Barcelona but was working in Bahrain. Otmar was on commentary for a bit during the afternoon session on Saturday and said they he wasn't sure they'd be doing low fuel runs due to the hydraulic leak & lack of DRS Barcelona so they had to catch up on running. Still think they look low mid table at best



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,558 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    I'd agree, I don't doubt they'll get it sorted and be back to the front even if it's just Hamiltons car. Russell is a pr machine and do will whatever he is told. The British media is of course very much in the Merc park as usual but if RedBull,Ferrari and Mclaren are ahead of Merc then the British media will be even worse than usual and the fact its two british drivers, it will be even harder to listen too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Yeah Alpine seem to have a bunch of excuses between not running DRS and losing out on running time, but so far there's very little evidence that they're in a better position they were last year. Which is not good enough, this should have been the year they had an opportunity to get back up amongst the other works teams and prove they belong in the sport. What happens if they're also-rans again? Is it another holding pattern while they wait for the next new regs in 2026 and hope they get those right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,690 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Could happen, but I doubt it. The rest of the teams would most likely object to rule changes if they have got it sorted. Then it would be a Mercedes design issue and not a widespread issue.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The teams will pretty much all have a simple way to fix the bouncing, if they want to find a way to do it and cost less time, well that's what F1 is about. :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,418 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    The fix is simple right? Just raise the car. It'll slow you down a bit, so it's about finding the sweet spot. Doesn't need a rule change...


    Although on the headache issue, I saw Ocon on Ted's notebook joking about needing paracetamol if it's bumpy...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Merc pushed for a pit stop change on safety grounds because Red Bull were better then them. So if they push for this on safety grounds because they cannot fix it .....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,044 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭CSWS101


    If Mazepin has been pulled as driver surely Uralkali are gone as sponsor as well - how do Haas have money to compete?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Joeface


    Mick Schumacher is a Ferrari driver so I assume they get a deal on the engine price.KMag comes with his own sponsors as well , Gene haas while not a Billionaire is a very wealthy man . Given the car performance at the Test and currently the only American team I am sure they will have a number of new sponsors added. Also smallest team on the grid I believe so that also helps the financial side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,690 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    That was pointed squarely at Red Bull, This would be against more teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,031 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Because the cheque is already cashed probably and they can't ask for their money back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭jv2000


    I think I heard in an interview with Steiner that Gene Haas is willing to put a bit more money into the team and that they can survive for a while without their sponsor. It is also no accident to see them do low fuel glory runs in testing to try and attract a new sponsor. I still think their car looks better than last year but they are probably still 3rd or 2nd last in the pecking order. Between Rich Energy and Uralkali they have a good record with title sponsors... 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭robinwing


    R.I.P. the legend that was Vic Elford , passed away yesterday aged 86 . Tha man who could drive anything and win in it from international rallies to F1 . Tremendous guy in all respects. He will be missed and will never be forgotten. Thanks for the memories Vic , you were unique



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    The FIA can make changes for the purpose of safety without all teams agreeing. Mercedes' successful lobbying to get the pitstop rules changed on utterly preposterous safety grounds to slow down Red Bull last year is a classic example of that. This is why Mercedes keep using the word "safety" when they mention porpoising, to set the narrative that it has to be fixed in the same way.

    A simple way Mercedes can fix the issue is by raising ride height. They don't want to do that though as it will make them slower, they'd rather the FIA force everyone to increase ride height including those that have designs that aren't prone to the issue, so it slows everyone down and suddenly the Merc is more stable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭quokula


    Yeah Haas Automation is a machine tooling company and is a brand in and of itself that's emblazoned across the car, in the same way that Red Bull is a brand and Mercedes is a brand. People were talking about Andretti coming in and saving the team but Gene Haas' net worth is actually more than that of the Andrettis, and he's advertising his company on the car, something the Andrettis couldn't do as their only business is the racing team.

    Now F1 sponsorship is almost certainly not producing a good return on investment to Haas Automation so obviously there is a need for a proper title sponsor, but they have the money to tide over for a while.

    I wouldn't be too critical of Haas for accepting the Uralkali sponsorship. Nobody predicted a couple of years ago that the world would be where it is today. And they were no more shady than the various cryptocurrency sponsors that adorn a lot of F1 teams these days. Rich Energy though, I've no idea how there weren't huge red flags stopping them committing to that deal.

    I'm not sure Haas were doing low fuel glory runs so much that the track conditions were much more favorable in the evening when they had the track to themselves. Headline lap times can't hurt in sponsorship negotiations but I imagine no potential sponsor will put pen to paper until they see what happens in competitive conditions - something that is less than a week away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,980 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Serious boy who cried wolf vibes from Merc...or should I say...the team who cried Wolff?




    I'll be off then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,623 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    @quokula Were you ran over by a Mercedes-Benz or something? You really think everyone working there has evil intentions for Formula 1.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,044 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'd be fairly sure the Haas time was a classic, low fuel glory run by a team in need of a new title sponsor. They used the track conditions like temperature and rubber to actually get all the way to the top.

    They're probably at the back again this year so they probably needed every advantage available to get to the top of the times. Ko chance Haas is anywhere near the top. Total glory run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,980 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt



    This would have Haas in the midfield. I think Haas will surprise plenty once things get going, granted they will just be compared to how they were last year, so it can't be any worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,418 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I'd love to see Haas do well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,084 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Haas had a rookie and a meme driving for them last year. Magnussen is a veteran and should at the very least provide valuable feedback on in season car development. And Mick has his odd record of poor rookie years followed by titles the next year.


    Unless the car Haas have spent two years making is an absoulte dog they should be much improved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,502 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Lewis Hamilton to compete in the 2022 season as Lewis Hamilton-Larbelestier, after his mother's surname.

    At 37 years of age.

    35 years after his parents split.

    After 16 seasons in Grand Prix racing.

    Let no one ever utter in this thread again that Hamilton isn't an attention seeking little tw....



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    And let no one ever utter in this thread again that people don't get hung up on absolutely f*ck all just because it's Lewis Hamilton-Larbelestier.

    He wants to incorporate his mother's name into his. So what? Why do you care so much?

    The reason why trivial stuff like this gets the attention is because people jump up, make a big song and dance about it and use it to have a go at him, like you have done here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,295 ✭✭✭Stallingrad


    ^ This. Very personal decision, previous poster makes themselves look very foolish trying to ridicule it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,502 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't need to ridicule it. It is, of its very nature, ridiculous.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Ron Artest changing his name to 'Metta World Peace' is ridiculous in it's nature.

    Someone wanting to incorporate their mother's name into theirs isn't. Like I said, it's just another excuse to have a pop at him.



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