Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

A mild illness is one that does not require medical intervention, however awful someone may feel lying in their bed at home. As it stands now that is COVID. Earlier variants were more lethal because we did not have the tools to treat them.

So now we have people sueing the HSE because their 89 mother dies of natural causes.

The daughter of one of the first pensioners to die in Ireland after contracting Covid-19 has launched legal action against the HSE and the nursing home where she died.

Linda Maples said she is disgusted with the country’s health service, and believes those running it should “hang their heads in shame” over what happened.

Florence O’Shaughnessy, 89, was one of around 23 residents to die in Tara Winthrop Nursing Home, Swords, north Co Dublin. The mother of six died on April 23, 2020.

The HSE get sued all the time. That's a duty of care thing and care homes had quite a lot to answer for in the early days, on basic infection control. Not sure why they are suing the HSE in this case, it's a private care home and that falls under HIQA purview.

People will be suing the pharma companies next for not creating immortality elixirs.

No. General population of Ukraine is around 55% vaccinated

It's a lot less apparently, but they're fleeing a war zone

● As of 25 February, Ukraine has fully vaccinated 34.07% of its population, making it the least-vaccinated country in Europe (Figure 3)5 . In early 2021, the government signed public contracts for the supply of 42 million COVID-19 vaccine doses6 . In addition, the Ministry of Health is currently considering allowing children aged 5-11 to get vaccinated, after having authorised vaccines for those aged 12-17 in October 2021

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=UKR

This was mentioned before, but you are correct, it wasn't mentioned back in 2020, AFAIK.

It was mentioned before that much infection happened after entry to hospital.

Bear in mind that many staff in hosps never wore masks, so this is no surprise.

(I am referring to admin staff here, on site, in the hosp building)

You are correct, this division of hosp cases into two groups should be highlighted more.

In terms of deaths, there is a similar issue.

The HSE/HSPC figure for 2020 deaths is 37% above the 2020 CSO data.

It's a free country. If people wanted to drink out on the street that's their choice, without some unelected bellends scolding them for doing it, that's their choice.

There was no spike after these outdoor drinking weekends, which lasted months. Totally harmless stuff.

As for it being time to let it go, no its not.

Tony and many others grossly over egged the severity of the situation. People, like yourself, and many others, relentless defend them.

Now ye all want it swept under the carpet and deflect to Ukraine.

No harm in reminded people of how silly they behaved during their pretend war.

Called out on what?

I certainly wasn't called out by your uneducated nonsense.

That's a big problem in Ireland. People are afraid to talk openly about depression, there still seems to be a stigma attached to it sadly.

Just lately we've had a few American sports stars admit they suffer from it. Hopefully that spreads around the world and people realise it's just an illness like a virus in ways in that it's treatable and you can get back to a good place.

I'm fully in favour of a lot of money being spent to improve the health service's approach to depression.

The "maths" you've quoted doesn't really work for single instances, it's all about averages and probability.

At the individual level, all that crunching you've done, doesn't make sense.

You should be looking up the table for mask wearers and their reduction in chances of contracting SARS-COV2 (can be looked up on many tables) and then the chances of a person vulnerable to SARS-COV2 having a severe event when contracting it (can also be looked up on many tables).

I get that you're trying to be dismissive, but your command of maths and what it means has failed you here.

1042 in hospitals this morning. 85 increase since yesterday. This is not looking good.

My worry is that even if most are incidental the hospitals could still get overwhelmed quite quickly because they need more resources to isolate them etc.

We were here 9 weeks ago and, the sky didn't fall in. Cases will peak and drop again. The last time we hit this number, we started with more than twice the number of people in ICU, and admissions to ICU were manageable throughout the surge.

This is the result of the psychological "end" of restrictions, and people increasing their levels of socialisation. Like Xmas, this too will ease off. It's true though that no matter what way we think this is going, Covid still has a few surprises up its sleeve.

Everyone was convinced case numbers would be hitting the floor by now, but the magic of chaos strikes again. The good thing is that we know now that 20k cases a day is basically no problem.

I do appreciate the long covid issue, but I'm wary of all of these studies coming out linking Covid with all sorts of long-term maladies including brain damage, heart damage, etc etc. Seems highly unlikely that this swiss-army infection appeared which not only kills people when infected, but leaves a massive wake of long-term effects on people who weren't very ill with it at all.

Far more likely that these long-term effects are typical with most viral infections. And while the effects may be measurable, they are also small. So small that 99.99% of people won't even notice them. We're just picking them up now because this is probably one of the most intensely studied infections in human history at this point.

There is going to be another surge, globally. Asia is getting slammed at the moment, and they're looking down the barrel of the same problem that New Zealand faced two months ago: Zero Covid is no longer a viable strategy against Omicron. Staying locked down will not stop the virus and will damage the economy. Opening up will help the economy, but too quickly and you will have a lot of dead people.