Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Effing liars, that's all I can say. Ukraine was not going to be allowed join NATO before the invasion, it was out of the question. The idea that Ukraine was going to invade Russia (a country more than three times bigger and with a far bigger military per capita) is beyond laughable.

Makes no difference ,

Wouldn't believe anything coming out of anything with Moscow in the name

Because the Russians and Russian media are entirely trustworthy...

The only people who are likely to be trustworthy w.r.t any negotiations are the Ukrainian negotiators who are actually taking part and then posting updates. The latest update from them was something to the effect of "Russia are no longer simply making ultimatums, but are actively listening to Ukraine's demands." Considering they still haven't been able to agree on effective humanitarian corridors I can't imagine anything substantive happening anytime soon.

Sounds like you took the blue ones instead of the pink ones this morning!

There's no real reason why anyone might want to change what's in place. It would suit those three but their main aim is to undermine US power and influence; Russia and China want to shift the balance of power to Asia. The idea of a change has really not gained a lot of traction, even economists argue over the benefits and the most recent proposals come from 2009 or so.

What we will probably see is countries looking hard at who they are relying on for resources and maybe some goods. In that context Russia is likely to lose out on things like energy and anything else countries can replace themselves. The EU, in particular, is done with their energy dependence.

Now that we are 900 pages or whatever on this topic just a reminder to all the Russian and Putin supporters on here. Ye are a cowardly shower of downtrodden arse holes. While it was always known that ye were downtrodden ye are now displaying to the world how utterly cowardly and stupid ye are. Glory and victory to Ukraine 🇺🇦.

Burgerface tagged out, these lads tagged in with a different tack. I think it's worth remembering that as the situation in Ukraine stagnates a bit and it all gets a bit normalised (unfortunately), discussion can turn from outrage at the Russian invasion to bickering over finer points. To reiterate, the main thing should be Russia get the hell out of Ukraine. It is fundamentally wrong what they are trying to do to that country and its people, and there is no amount of deflection or distraction that should be allowed to take away from this main point. Anyone trying to make it about something else is either acting in bad faith or their moral compass is out the window.

Anybody see the report on rte news last night about the conveys from Ireland to Poland? A lot of rubbish cloths including red high heels, ffs, seem to have gone over which to me is downright insulting when they need food and healthcare supplies badly.

On November 30th, 1939, the Soviet Union attacked Finland without a declaration of war. For 105 days the Fins successfully fought off the soviet's offensive causing heavy losses to the Soviet troops. 82 years ago today the Winter War ended after a truce being made.

Someone had to have been taking the piss putting them in. NGOs are asking for less physical donation deliveries because they're a logistical burden. Makes much more sense for them to source all possible necessities locally in the likes of Poland instead of truck loads of goods from all over coming in. Just people wanting to feel involved but not a smart move during times of fuel scarcity.

Joe Joyce has a better credit rating now