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Let's all start growing Grain!?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,568 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    The value for money side won't come into it if you can't buy enough ration, Those with good land will only have them selves to blame if they're short of ration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I’d be thinking along the same lines. It’s all well and good thinking you can hold onto more cows or cattle or whatever for the summer if you keep that 10 or 20 acres in grass but what do you do then next winter if ration can’t be got? And even if it can be for what price will it be? At least if you have a bit of barley in the ground you’ve the option of keeping it to feed yourself. It may be extra work and shed space required for it but it could be better than having none at all.



  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Said the same in the merchants today about money vs supply, was it 2013 or winter 17/18 that the ration started coming in thin green bags because fodder couldn't be got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭farmerphil135


    It’s impossible to put a cost on inputs at the minute as there constantly changing. For example at the start of the year we worked out it would be cheaper to haul slurry 19km to 28 acres of winter barley to spread with the pipes so taking 4 men and hiring a lorry and tanker to draw as well and adding an extra 1000 onto the cost as we could be somewhere else working, was cheaper than putting out artificial fertiliser.

    we didn’t get it done as we were waiting on getting the use of a nurse tanker and in the meantime diesel went through the roof so it’s now cheaper to put out artificial fertiliser😂

    unfortunately we won’t know the costs till the money is spent.

    and no we won’t be scaling back the beef to increase the tillage as it left us in a very deep hole before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Homer jay


    I have never grown an grain but with the last few years I was thinking of sowing 3 or 4 acres of oats each year for my own feed, also have a rotation for reseeeding each year, any of the older neighbours reckoned is was not worth doing, hassle of sowing it and getting it harvested but I still think it would be better even in a normal year to reduce stock numbers and grow enough or at least some of the grain needed as being fully stocked is a mugs game at present. Was wondering if someone on here would be able to advise me on how to grow oats, month to grow, fert to use, rate of seed to use, sprays needed during the year and what sort of time frame from sowing to harvest ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,499 ✭✭✭Grueller


    I have glas traditional meadow here that would grow 3.5 tonnes of barley easily in any sort of a growing year. Will they allow this to be planted I wonder I the announcement to come?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭farmerphil135


    Oats is a good choice as it would be the easiest crop to grow and does well even in marginal land.

    standard would be plough till sow and roll. You can start sowing from mid March till beginning of may all that changes is your seeding rate so March early April 11-12 stone/acre to 14 stone/acre late April early may. Early you sow the early you harvest. Oats is usually harvested September to early October. When you sow it is all down to your ground and the current ground conditions.

    when sowing put out a compound fertiliser like 10-10-20 or 18-6-12 depending on your soil index. And top dress with nitrogen when The crop is at the flag leaf stage. The old saying is you get out what you put in so if you don’t put it in you won’t have much of a crop

    1st weed spray is very important and you can either use pre emergence or post emergence. Pre emergence is weather dependent and post emergence you need to know what weeds you have to use the right sprays. Once you’ve the weeds under control you’ll need to use growth regulator to shorten the crop as oats grows quite tall and is prone to lodging and fungicides around the flag leaf stage to prevent diseases getting into the crop

    at harvest then when you harvest depends on whether your after wholecrop, crimp or dry grain. Each has its own stage right time to harvest.

    this is only a rough outline of what goes into the crop and there’s a lot more to it when you get into the nitty gritty of it weather, ground type, weeds and diseases and pests.

    the worst thing you can do is sow it and forget about it till harvest. Seen it too many times and your as well leave it in grass as to grow a **** crop

    best thing you can do is get in touch with an agronomist or someone in your locality at crops to help out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭newholland mad


    3.5 t /acre? . I wouldn't start out banking on that sort of yield if I were you, especially any field that has a history of being mowed, the k is bound to be lower than optimum added to the fact that the decaying sod locks up whatever is there. In the absence of slurry you'd need 100 units of k which if bought today will cost upwards of 100/acre before any n or p.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    What about ploughing down 3000 gals slurry per acre? That should supply about 90 units of K, and if you have the ploughing done as the slurry is spread there shouldn't be much N lost either.

    Crimping is a good option for farms with nowhere to store grain. If mice get into it they die. Also with urea being added at crimping it brings up the CP by about 4% May not suit dairy cows, but should be ok for beef cattle.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭locha


    Was speaking to the auld boy about this he used to do a fair bit told tillage in his day. He stopped the conversation short when I mentioned putting in 20 acres. “ who is going to pick the ffing stones?” Fair point that I had been overlooking. Probably one of the most soul destroying jobs on a farm.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    No potato harvesters about I suppose?

    That'd make short work of 20 acres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭farmerphil135


    Stones aren’t the end of the world unless your ploughing up boulders😂 tractor and loader when your rolling the crop after sowing and you can pick up anything the roller can’t put down and if you can get the use of a stone fork you’ll hardly have to get out of the tractor. Once your not using a power Harrow most stones are harmless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    What sort of money does it cost to crimp a tonne of barley? Is it ok to feed on its own to finishing cattle with silage if protein is up round 11 or 12% ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭leoch


    Good question cavanjack or can u mix it with maize meal



  • Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Seen fields of turnips sown an then the animals grazing on them i winter. May not be grain but makes more sense for our climate unless growing oats



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,343 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Turnip's are usually sown the end of May, it would give you the option of a cut of silage first, you would need 3/400 kgs of fertilizer/ acre, seed and a pre emergent weed spray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    No doubt it could be mixed with maize meal but will it be available next winter or at what cost.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    It's a good few years since I did some, I think it was about €40 a ton back then, I think the higher the moisture is the more expensive it will be.

    I fed it to finishing bulls, used it instead of bull ration at the early stage of feeding, then introduced the bull ration about half way through and finished them on 100% bull ration for the last month.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Posts: 353 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Buy the equipment and become a contractor?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,350 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Would €400/ha cover the cost, even on a tillage farm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    I wouldn’t have said it would do much - like, 160/acre, with fertiliser running at 50/bag.

    So it’s about 3 bags/acre…

    Then - on the other hand, I am getting 900/ha for growing wild bird cover. Now, there is no grain/straw output from the WBC, but still…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    The expression "that's for the birds" comes to mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭DBK1


    I’ll be watching this with interest as I’ll be sowing barley again, (hopefully next weekend) for the first time in 6 years. But they’d want to be getting a move on or it’ll be of no incentive to lads that aren’t already in tillage.

    For barley, sowing should ideally be completed by end of March and with a 10 day window needed from roundup to ploughing then announcing a scheme this week is cutting it tight.

    It is still plenty of time for oats and in particular maize and beet. With the expected prices of ration/nuts next winter these crops should be being strongly considered by anyone using a lot of ration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    This is only targeted at land that wasn't in tillage in 2021. So someone growing tillage crops will get a €400 payment to help offset the costs. But the guys that are already tillage enterprises get nothing? Is my take on it right? Are the existing guys screwed here in that their input costs are sky high too but they have no supports?

    In my simple view, I'd suspect a net decrease in tillage area even with this incentive for new land to enter production



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,326 ✭✭✭amacca


    I'd imagine you are right


    Stick to beat lads with when they complain about no ration in autumn....


    I'll be reducing the mouths I have to feed anyway.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 RimondL


    Using satellite imagery in the earliest stages of wheat growth, I was able to save more than 50% of my crops. This computable index. eos.com/industries/agriculture/msavi/ can be used for remote sensing to detect uneven seed growth. It can be compared to weather data on a graph showing the correlation between extreme weather and crop health.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭kincaid


    I see theyre giving money now too to grow lupins, red clover etc, whats that all about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    High protein crops, let your ration be in the pit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,969 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Don't see the problem supporting more tillage on livestock holdings to shore up potential animal feed issues. Have been experimenting with wholecrop oats on my place in North Mayo in recent years and pleased enough with it in terms of cutting feed and supplement bill.



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