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Brexit Impact on Northern Ireland

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,091 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Confirmed Givan has resigned..

    Mary Lou pushing for an election as expected



  • Administrators Posts: 55,406 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The upcoming elections will be very interesting as for the first time since the first assembly elections they are basically going to be completely centred around a single issue.

    Turnout in NI elections is usually rubbish as apathy toward the institutions is high, will be interesting to see if it's the same this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,166 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I wonder what the DUP’s true motives are. Do they really want a hard border? Their antics lately suggest to me that they do. They also seem unwilling to accept the demographic shift and the possibility of a nationalist First Minister.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The DUP do not exist as a conventional party of governance, only as an intentionally obstructive entity; one that finds itself increasingly at odds with the province it might claim to uphold the values of. Its founding principle was as a bulwark against a demographic it never recognised as legitimate, or one worth sharing power with. If all these crude, selfish actions finally burn the remaining drifting votes that might have gone their way, then it'll be good ridden to a bad faith party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    I'm not sure they really know. They have decided on a course of action regarding Brexit and now have to double down on it at every opportunity by making headlines, even if they know it's probably wrong and self destroying. The admittance of failure, a change of direction and a nationalist FM is too much for them, so they'd go down with the ship instead, with everyone tied to the deck chairs....

    The DUP also want an early election. One opinion is that the DUP want to try and cash in on the maximum unionist vote that is disgruntled with the NIP, judging by polls that they have conducted within their own community. I guess they figure it's now or never and the only way they might help boost their share of the vote, which is slipping away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭farmerval


    It looks like this is a move that might cover them for refusing to go back into power after the elections when Sinn Fein will have the first minister role.

    Jeffrey said today after collapsing it would make no sense to go back into government if they don't get their own way on the protocol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I was listening to the UUP leader Doug Beattie being interviewed on Talkback earlier and he also wouldn't give an answer either as to whether he would go into government with a SF First Minister. Sad state of affairs but not surprising.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I think the DUP feels the tide turning towards very soft unionism and they have no idea how to adapt.

    There is still a solid hard-line unionist vote out there but at the moment it's being split between the DUP and TUV. Peter Robinson, to his credit, did a lot more to bring more moderate unionists on board which was then evaporated by Foster's Brexit stance, considering a sizeable number of those moderates voted against Brexit and now they're filtering towards the Alliance. Regardless of what the Alliance say about being 'neutral', keeping the status quo is unionism.

    Funnily enough, a chunk of the hard unionists didn't think they were strong enough on Brexit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,070 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    It's worth remembering that a lot of the DUP vote is actually just an anti Sinn Fein vote from Unionists.

    So a UUP leader coming out and saying they'd definitely go into power sharing with a Sinn Fein First Minister would put off a considerable amount of the people they'll be hoping to take votes off of from the DUP.

    Whether the UUP actually would or not, I've no idea.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,406 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Ah there's no way the DUP want an early election. There's a reason they've waited so long before collapsing Stormont, at this stage it's very unlikely there'll be an early election. This is all part of the stunt.

    If there was one tomorrow the DUP would be in big trouble.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It looks like the DUPs actions in collapsing the executive are now having an impact on foreign businesses investing simply because Invest NI cannot free up funding (article paywalled)...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Sammy getting booed was priceless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Irish History


    An old fallacious argument that Ireland as a whole can not afford to reunite. Dail Eireann have been working on elements of a reunification paper through its 'Joint Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement'. They produced a paper called 'Uniting Ireland & its People in Peace & Prosperity'. The Irish Government says we can reunify our country - and Ireland north and south, will be better off as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    The DUP have made a real mess of things in NI. Sammy getting booed was pretty funny alright. He has said some terrible things down the years and to see his own turn on him is a welcome dressing down for him.

    On a more serious matter though they have lost one of their future big players in Christopher Stalford today. He passed away last night at 39 leaving behind a wife and 4 children. Very sad situation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    There's a very real argument to be made that the DUP are the most incompetent, ham-fisted political party of the last 30 years on these islands. Their inability to read a room, guage their own locality's temperature and just possess a broad sense of realpolitik or nous has been a constant source of amazement. They were Westminster's kingmakers for a hot minute and even managed to balls that up.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Sammy looked as if he was trying to emulate Paisley Sr from the 70s & 80s. What I found worst about his rant was the use of terminology such as "the enemy". That kind of militaristic rhetoric is designed simply to rile people into an aggressive reaction and has no place in a democratic country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭AyeGer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,018 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    No cause of death has been announced yet, but he is said to have died "suddenly". His own farther died of a stroke at the age of 26, so there is a family history of cerebral events. I think we'll here soon enough that it was a stroke or an aneurysm. Terrible news, and dreadful thing for his family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,553 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Whilst I thought his unionism and anti-Irish outlook was particularly virulent I can separate the politics and accept most of that is electoral theatre. RIP. Tragic for any family.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It just shows what tired, empty old men they are. No fresh ideas or blood, no forward rhetoric, no plan for the province; just that same hollow sloganeering, like the one hit wonder still trotting out that beat the world has moved on from. Their big brexit swing might kill the province they claim to love. Eternal fear and hostility towards demographics that barely exist now ... though at least the papist Tadgs south of the border have become even more godless and heathen - so the DUP presumably still have the fundamentalist vote locked in. What sensible lowercase U unionist would be enticed by their regressive, inept politics? It boggles the mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭serfboard


    "What sensible lowercase U unionist would be enticed by their regressive, inept politics?"

    None is the answer. The sensible lowercase U unionists have drifted off to the UUP and Alliance. And the insensible uppercase U Unionists are drifting off to the TUV, leaving the DUP facing very big challenges. And it's trying to chase the TUV voters that has them carrying on with their current nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,706 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Previously the belligerent wing of Unionism was able to bully most of the rest at times of perceived constitutional peril. I think this is why the DUP are lurching open armed to the TUV position.

    Expect an onslaught of 'Lundy' 'traitor' campaigning as they once again try to bully through fear and scaremongering. I am not altogether convinced it won't work. They may succeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,249 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    There's far more 'enlightened' (i.e. young) people up north now, both nationalist and unionist, for whom the fear-mongering of old will not work. People who have grown up and spent the last 25 years in mixed schools, social and work settings and for whom the big bad fenians/orangemen schtick just does not apply to them.

    On the nationalist side, SF are far more palatable to young people as they at least try (or appear) to be more progressive - supporting gay marriage, abortion, etc. Whereas the DUP have gone the complete opposite direction and doubled down on hardline conservative rhetoric (although not hard enough for some, hence the move to the TUV). What do the DUP actually offer young people in the North? They've shafted the youth on Brexit, tied up stormont on arguing on trivial things like the language act, spouted nonsense about being spiritual god-fearing people then getting caught out in scandals like RHI. I don't understand how any young unionists could even hold their nose and vote for them, other than those who spend 3 months of the year building bonfires and 9 months on the couch. They should be annihilated in the May elections.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,706 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Trust me, the election will be about saving the Union and people will be Lundied and called traitors. See what they are doing to Beattie...that will intensify.

    I still think it might just work for them, or enough to keep them top dog.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Quite a significant day as Stormont passes the Integrated Education Bill by 49 votes to 38. Will mean the Department of Education has to increase the number of integrated school places and set targets for educating children in them. Just 7% of pupils are educated in integrated schools currently. The DUP had tried to block the bill with a petition of concern but couldn't get the required 30 MLA signatures to block it. They needed a few of the UUP but they wouldn't support blocking it. While I'm glad they didn't use the veto, it's still a shame that no unionist supported it:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,706 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There iction coming, I think only for that you may have seen the UUP behave differently.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,406 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Young unionists don't hold their nose and vote for them and never have. Turnout in NI elections is pretty low, especially among younger voters (under ~40). Turnout is lower I believe in unionist areas. The DUPs base is older, more hard line unionists.

    I think the UUP is trying to position itself to hoover up some of these young, moderate voters, but time will tell if they are successful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,706 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Not sure what happened with my post, meant to read:

    'There is an election coming. I think only for that you may have seen the UUP behave differently.'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 47 trmartin


    A challenge to the NI Protocol by several unionist politicians has been rejected today (14 March) by the Court of Appeal. The Court's ruling says that the Protocol was lawfully enacted. Lady Chief Justice, Dame Siobhan Keegan, said the case was very far from one where a court would even begin to contemplate whether it could intervene as the appellants suggest.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2022/0314/1286299-ni-protocol/



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