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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,765 ✭✭✭Talisman


    It still staggers me that he decided to go for the whole country and I'd bet it staggers his minions and generals too.

    Speaking on MSNBC yesterday, Andrei Kozyrev made the point that Putin has increasingly surrounded himself by 'yes' men. None of them are willing to tell him the truth or give less than positive information for fear of the response.

    The interview with the FSB analyst that was published last week made the same point - if the analysts produce a report that isn't what the higher ups want to present to Putin then they are accused of not doing their job.

    The Bellingcat investigative reporter, Hristo Grozev, has been told the same by his sources within the FSB. Bad news is never passed on to the Kremlin.

    Putin lost the plot because he learned that they had fired 8 of their expensive cruise missiles at an airport. Hristo Grozev joked that they still haven't told him that Ukrainian peasants have been recovering items of equipment worth tens of millions of dollars.

    The entire hierarchy is corrupt because of the need to project a fantasy to Putin. He believed the fantasy and acted from what he believed was a position of strength.

    Russia's annual defense budget has been around $65 Billion since 2015. It would appear that very little has gone to where it was supposed to. Between 2012 and 2014 the defense budget was over $80 Billion, the additional budget was for upgrades and modernizing existing equipment like adding additional armor plating to older generation tanks. However, there are cardboard egg trays hanging off the side of T-72 and T-80 tanks in Ukraine.

    tank-armor.jpg

    I've seen it posted here on Boards and elsewhere online that the real Russian army is being held back in the event that NATO become involved - people have a hard time believing that a supposed super power has been bluffing the world for so long. It doesn't appear that Putin knew it either.

    Hans Christian Anderson's fairy tale The Emperor's New Clothes has come to life with tragic consequences for the people of Ukraine and the Russian soldiers sent there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,428 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    For all intents and purposes though it seems so far Ukraine are impacting far over 10 Russian soldier kills per Ukrainian soldier kills. On no planet is that sustainable. Even their troop count can't sustain that. Everytime they come in direct contact the Russians are consistently left tactically out classed.


    I'm still entirely unclear where this winning is coming from despite them holding some major highways and smaller towns.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Or Ireland is a small English speaking 'neutral' nation with a tiny military, an intelligence service that's laughable, a people well liked around the world and with lots of connections to America. If any nation wanted to drop in an intelligence gathering unit to monitor Europe and the West I can't think of a better place than Ireland.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,428 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The very definition of a veteran is they were involved in conflict combat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    When did I say Putin was monitoring boards? Lol

    You're getting carried away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,428 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Exactly. As opposed to Ireland is insignificant. It has fairly big significance if your aim is learning and influence.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And? There are plenty of veterans of firefights from Iraq and Afghanistan, but they've never had to suffer firepower like they would now in the Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Well our localities are clear but we remain officially out of it. This has worked well for us for the last 100 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    It can be fairly certain that there is equipment lost without photos being taken of them. It would be interesting to know what the real figure is.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    I've no doubt it will be a shock for a lot of them, for veterans, no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I didn't claim anything like that. You're just imagining this in your fury to lash out. Or else getting me mixed up with another poster.

    Either way, time to chill out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    saw a video last night about britains preparedness for a possible Russian air strike or bombing mission. Basically it said that if the RAF were imposing a no fly zone over Ukraine then their air defences would be very thin in the skies over Britain and by extension I can imagine they would be virtually non existent over the skies of Ireland.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Like I said above, when was the last time a western veteran was under artillery fire from anything heaver than a mortar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The russians wanted a quick operation, over and done with while the ukrainians were still stunned. It seems very unlikely to me that you would send in battalions of cannon fodder with rubbish equipment to achieve that. It is just inconceivable. Therefore, they must have sent in what they consider their best units on day one.



  • Posts: 441 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Apparently the reason we don't see footage from the Russian side is soldiers are apparently not allowed to bring their phones with them when they are on duty I believe the excuse given was it for operational security in order to prevent their positions from being ascertained either by Ukraine tracking their phones or the soldiers giving away their own positions by posting on social media.

    The source of this was the telegram group I listed earlier so make of it what you will.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Best if we don't directly attack Russia, correct. But, to remain neutral while a modern day Stalin attacks another state, and committing war crimes, no. That would be shameful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Whooosh and back to the point made - you think Putin and friends give a fcuk about Irelands historical neutrality?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I don't know but I know I'd rather us to stay neutral and I suspect the majority of the population agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Irish Red Cross rep on the radio confirming those who house refugees will receive no money to support the refugees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,499 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Apparently the TV news is still pumping out the crazy propaganda (Ukrainians are Nazis, Russian troops are liberators etc) but one wonders just how long they can spin this nonsense before the Russian public begin to realise something is seriously amiss - a full scale war that goes on for months right on Russia's doorstep is going to present all sorts of problems for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Irish Red Cross rep confirms refugees will have to use their social welfare to pay for bills in the house they are housed in.



  • Posts: 3,773 [Deleted User]


    I read they did something similar in New York and Boston in the early 80's when Bobby Sands died, refusing to dock British ships at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Irish Red Cross rep confirms that he would prefer if house has more than one bathroom.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,069 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The auld ones are already used to buying the company line without questioning it too much. Young Russians, who are tech savvy enough to bypass blocked sites and media, I would hope are less trusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,412 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Here meant Ireland, among Irish politicians and on national media. I didn't mean boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭maebee


    Good news?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10602061/Beijing-calls-Putins-Ukraine-invasion-war-time-refuses-supply-airline-parts.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Putin can always do a tactical media strike to distract the population, say release a new topless picture of himself horse riding or shooting, something macho like that. The drones lap that stuff up.



  • Posts: 7,946 [Deleted User]


    Can you ask? To clarify... shouldn't take you long if you contact your handler.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    We have zero clue if that ten Russian soldiers dead for every Ukrainian soldier claim is within sniffing distance of true. As is the notion of tactically outclassed. Pretty much all we're seeing is Ukrainian side of this. You want it to be true, I want it to be true, but that's where it ends at the moment. And let's say it is true. As you've pointed out before, though simplistically; "all the Russians have are numbers". Numbers count in a war of attrition. Add to that Russian military thinking and even their home psyche is way more accepting of casualities(on both sides) than modern Western miltary and societal thinking.

    Major roads are how they move their supply lines through the country when beyond the Russian state railways. Gaining and holding them is objective number one. And they have and do. For all the Ukrainian successes the Russian 40km logistics line is intact. That should tell us all we need to know about the effective medium and long range capabilities of the Ukrainian infantry and air force. The "Ghost of Kyiv" if he existed would have been far better served bombing the hell out of that and the Ukrainain military would have told him to.

    Those major roads drive suppies of men and materiel to the cities the Russians want to take. Encircle them, cut them off from supplies and hammer them with artillery(which Ukraine is lacking in). Then send in their professional soldiers and go street by street, backed up with tanks. The Russian gloves are completely off, if they were ever on. They have nothing to lose now as far as western optics are concerned. IMHO unless something is hammered out in talks elsewhere, or something happens in the Kremlin involving cyanide, Kyiv will almost certainly fall. It's just a matter of time. And the Russians know it and why they're so far not budging on 'demands' and I suspect so do the Ukrainians. putin needs to take Kyiv if he took nothing else.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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