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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Nope you didn't. Hence my question. Dont want to bother explaining? Fine.



  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the UN is the culprit there. Do you think an Irish battalion would have done any different?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,067 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Something to bear in mind to those suggesting UN peacekeepers could protect a neutralised Ukraine from Russia

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,771 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Its been taken off air across the EU because they didnt want useful idiots and critical thinkers falling hook, line and sinker for Russian propaganda 👍️



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    No, I wish you were right, but I'm afraid you're wrong and demonstrably so. If you can't see the obvious disparity in both numbers and types and scales of equipment I don't know what to say to you. Maybe a simple graphic will help:

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    Even if we halved the numbers and quality of weaponry involved on the Russian side, Ukraine is still massively on the back foot by nearly every metric. And that list doesn't include artillery, or missiles or bombs. And if the Russians have 'ancient' equipment, much of the Ukrainians equipment is older again Russian gear. Yes we see the Russian airforce is thin on the ground(so to speak), but can you point to a video of a Ukrainian jet flying since this invasion started, or a Ukrainian helicopter? we've seen plenty of vids of Russian tanks and the like, how many Ukrainian ones? Their maritime stuff is off the table and their flagship was scuttled by her captain to keep it from Russian hands.

    Recently imported anti tank and aircraft systems and the likely support of Western intel and a determined unbeliveably brave defence by the Ukrainain people certainly further narrow the gap, but not nearly to the degree you seem to believe or one sided(and understandably impressive) reports from the ground show. I wish they weren't but these are unfortunately facts not hopes and those facts are sadly encircling and blasting the hell out of Kyiv as we speak.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What exactly is your problem? If a poster says 'leave me alone' why is it hard for you to do it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    UN are one useless organisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see what you did there. LOL. Brush up on your Ukrainian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    *The "Azov" battalion is a terrorist organization banned on the territory of the Russian Federation.

    And yet the Wagner terrorist organisation are fully supported by the Kremlin and now we have examples of Hitler, sorry putin Youth punching the air wearing Zeds on their clothes. You want to get rid of 'nazis' Czar Vlad? Physician, heal thyself. You gnomish twat.


    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Once again. These graphs are pulled out people's arse.

    Russia doesn't have one million troops. If they did putin would have put 250k or 300k on the border. They don't have 5000 operational jets if they did they'd have used 1000 of them. And so on and so on.

    They are a force that has been ripped and robbed blind for decades by various levels within the military and outside of it. Their equipment was sold or stolen. Their maintenance was made up by paid for. Their fuel was sold off. Weapons etc etc everything for sale.


    Theres a simple reason there's 1970 tanks being rolled forward and civilian busses and trucks being brought out. And Putin losing his absolute **** about 8 precision rockets being fired at a western Ukraine Airport that wasnt a priority.


    Their figures and your fancy graph is unadulterated waffle.


    What they do have plenty of is conscripts that they will grab off the streets and aks and bullets. You can blame all of it on poor pay and a cross Russia attitude of stealing to make ends meet because that's what the people at the top are doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Ukrainian jets have shot down Russian jets and helicopters ,they have Also bombed convoys ,

    Russia unless they commit their whole military then they aren't going to take Ukraine , history is full of stories of the unbeatable and unstoppable armies getting beaten by a smaller ,less equipped army



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭Talisman


    This is a trolling at its finest - The Head of the National Agency on Corruption Prevention of Ukraine has written a letter to Russia’s Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu, thanking him for the state of corruption in the Russian army. 🤣

    Here's the English language translation of the letter:

    Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation

    Sergei SHOIGU

    THANK YOU LETTER

    The National Agency on Corruption Prevention (hereinafter referred to as the Agency) supports all representatives of foreign states who contribute to the development of Ukrainian anti-corruption bodies, as well as help in strengthening democratic institutions in Ukraine.

    In this regard, the Agency expresses its sincere gratitude to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu, for his invaluable contribution to the fact that Russian means and support resources for the attack on Ukraine were stolen even before they were accumulated on the border of the two states.

    Participating in the methodical, systematic, and long-term work on the theft of the budgetary funds of the Russian Federation, which were allocated for the development of military potential, Sergei Shoigu, together with other officials of the defense sector, contributed to the acceleration of the liquidation of the occupiers on the lands of the sovereign state of Ukraine.

    The persistence of officials from the Ministry of Defense and the armed forces of the Russian Federation to embezzle funds from Russian taxpayers that should have gone to the needs of the army makes it much easier to defend democratic Ukraine.

    Thanks to this, Ukrainian anti-corruption institutions, which work to ensure transparency in the use of public funds, counteract corruption, fraud, and economic crime, will be able to resume their activities as soon as possible instead of wasting time on destroying the occupiers on their land, as well as scrap metal brought to the territory of our state.

    The military and Ukrainian intelligence team document numerous examples of this undoubtedly important activity.

    In particular, the protection of Russian tanks T-72 and T-80 made from cardboard egg trays. Without a doubt, these means of protecting military equipment deserve to become a separate assessment factor in the PowerIndex when forming the Global Firepower rating of the strongest armies in the world.

    The Agency also expresses its deep gratitude to Mr. Shoigu for the use of ZIL-130 cars to transport personnel, which has no analogs in the world. While such cars are obviously comfortable to the Russian soldiers as they feel light dizziness during the Ukrainian March frosts, the speed of movement of this vehicle, as well as its bright aquamarine color, allow the local territorial defense forces to effectively undergo training in the operation of modern weapons against light targets.

    Special thanks also go to those that provide the Russian army with military food packages, the expiration date of which is due to 2015. Due to the lack of food, the Russian occupation troops abandon military equipment and surrender to the local residents of Ukrainian villages in order to eat.

    We also admired your bulletproof vests made of cardboard instead of the armored plates that were worn by the crew members of the captured Russian Barnaul-T armored car.

    Bulletproof vests were so strong that they were damaged by conventional small arms. In this regard, we express special gratitude, because now the armored car serves in the ranks of the Ukrainian defense forces and helps to resist the aggressor.

    We also want to draw your attention to the fact that our army found a bulletin named “On the procedure for detecting corruption and other violations when identifying a conflict of interest in military units” in place of the armored plates.

    Impressed by such a thorough and detailed methodological support for the military personnel of the occupying forces, the Agency’s experts prepared a number of recommendations for further inclusion in the relevant bulletins.

    Thus, according to the generally accepted definition, a conflict of interest is the presence of private interest in the area in which a person performs his/her official or representative powers, which may affect the objectivity or impartiality of his/her decision-making.

    We see the risk that, despite the presence of mobile crematoria brought to the territory of Ukraine by the command of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the private interest of a Russian soldier to save his life instead of following the orders of his commander is still extremely high. In this regard, we propose to reduce the likelihood of a conflict of interest by supplementing the bulletins with the following step-by-step instructions:

    “In case of crossing the border with Ukraine, a Russian serviceman is obliged to:

    – get to the nearest settlement;

    – move away from the equipment at a safe distance and drop the weapon;

    – ask for forgiveness for crossing the border without passport control;

    – wait for the Ukrainian military, who will allow him to call his mother;

    – wait for his return home”.

    We look forward to fruitful cooperation in taking into account our recommendations.

    Attached to the letter of thanks, we send photos illustrating the above achievements. We are sending the letter now, while there is still foreign computer equipment in Russia that allows you to view the relevant photographs.

    Head of the Agency

    Oleksandr NOVIKOV




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    They levelled Grozny too, but it has been rebuilt and all paid for by Russia. ......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    They say that normally about 50% of equipment is in a battle ready state at any time and this is with western militaries. We don't know what the situation would be in russia. The ukrainians won't be meeting russians in open tank battles, they would be mad to. They can just hide in a forest and wait for a convoy to go by. They have the support of the local people and knowledge of the terrain. If they are willing to keep up the fight, I really can't see how the russians can win. They gambled everything on a quick collapse and lost it. The longer it goes on the better it is for the ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Well to be fair I asked one simple question. Bizarrely the poster then had a tantrum. As I said that fine if they won't answer. Btw I could also ask whats your problem but I'm not going to bother because it's a discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Russia are playing a game of chess and I think they are holding back army and weapons for NATO. They want more than just Ukrainian



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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wibbs, your graphic is missing some key points.

    1. Home advantage. The guy fighting to stop his wife and family being raped will fight 10 times harder than a conscript.

    2. With Russia's vast army, why are they relying on conscripts?

    3. Ukraine IS getting massive help from the West.

    4. Russia is imploding. Time is not on their side.

    5. Evidence (ref Kyiv convoy) that the Russians haven't a fûcking clue how to fight this war.

    You've mentioned other issues, quality of equipment etc.

    I wouldn't write off Ukraine. I'd back them in fact. If anything it's Russia Vs the world even if its largely by proxy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    "Russians protest against sanctions 🙂"

    Lots of these videos of Russians smashing up their western goods in PROTEST. We'll see how they feel after a few weeks of post western, top of the line, modern soviet state merchandise that will be available...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭omega man


    Doubt it. They’ve already committed around 50% of their total active ground forces in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire




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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The footage we've seen of Russian jets and helicopters shot down have been from ground fire. The convoy hits were drones. All good, but again what we're seeing is almost entirely one sided*. And I agree smaller armies have fúcked up much larger armies more than once and I really hope this is the case with the Ukrainian defence. The cities are their biggest hope, because if they can hunker down from airstrikes it takes most, if not all of the invader's advantages away. They could inflict massive Russian casualties there. And it may be ghoulish of me to say and wish for speaking in comfort and safety at a distance, but I hope they bloody well do. To the point where the Russian autocrats can't spin their way out of this to the Russian people. Though sadly IMHO many of the Russian people at home are currrently a lost cause and those that aren't are living in fear in one of the few actual facist states in the world.






    *which raises questions too of course. Why aren't we seeing Russian successes? Surely they'd want that for the spin for their own side at home? No doubt they'd 'explain' that away as "well it's not really a war y'know Komrade", but it could also be because in close in fighting they have few enough examples of success and most of their successes have been from stand off distance weapons like artillery, bombs and rockets that aren't easy to film as propaganda and would open them up to even more calls of atrocities.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭briany


    At this rate, Mad Vlad is doing a bang up job of bringing back the days of the Soviet Union, with impending shortages of essential goods and a black market for Levi Jeans.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Now that's some high level 24 carat trolling right there. 🤣🤣🤣

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,434 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Theres no chess games going on here. What your seeing is a military that operated under vast embezzlement of its finances and a leadership both internal and external taking a cut of it and telling dear leader multitudes of lies to cover the gaps that are missing.

    Putin is so far removed and surrounded by people afraid of him that tactically they are up their own arse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Their figures and your fancy graph is unadulterated waffle.

    Ironically isn't the whole Intel on the Ukrainian defense progress based on Twitter accounts?



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