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briany · 10-03-2022 06:29PM

did Ukraine sell out in order to get closer to the prizes,spoils and money that comes with being aligned with the west?

You say that like it's a bad thing. Prizes, spoils and money? Nah, would rather live in the glum shadow of post-soviet Russian repression and economic stagnation, please.

Hobgoblin11 · 10-03-2022 06:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764119#Comment_118764119

But its not working out that way, they gambled on Russia not destroying their country, their home, now they will be in poverty for a generation and after that in limbo afraid to align with either side, I just think selling out has never proved so costly to a country as this will prove to be

Wibbs · 10-03-2022 06:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764002#Comment_118764002

The car being hit by the tanks with no burning is not a surprise OH. We're all too used to seeing Hollywood images of war and when explosions go off there's a fireball. Not unlike every car in a Hollywood movie that goes off a cliff bursts into flame and then explodes. Or when someone shoots a pistol round into a gas cannister and Kaboom. Doesn't happen. Unless it's an incendiary round designed to start fires the blast itself drives oxygen out of the area and can even put out existing flames. Most of the energy goes into the unfortunate target. Burning if any is a side effect of flammable material catching fire after the event. I'm skeptical of some stuff out there, but not that sad event. Trigger happy goons in a war zone firing on anything that moves and in this case the tragic and criminal death of an elderly couple.

Yurt2 · 10-03-2022 06:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764079#Comment_118764079

I'll echo the other poster, of course Ukraine wants in on the "prizes, spoils and money" of the EU.

What future for Ukraine being turned into a Belarus writ large? It's sovereignty wiped out, and chained to the dead hand of the Russian extractive economy.

That's rather the whole point. Ukraine from 2004 was clearly traveling in a direction of integration with the biggest trade bloc in the world and the rules based order of the EU, and hurtling away from the moribund and oppressive influence of the Kremlin.

They're suffering because of the jealous heart of a paranoid creep. One man. And he's trying to pull the entire continent down around all of our heads because he's in denial that he lost Ukraine.

jolivmmx · 10-03-2022 06:36PM

Now, that stupid propaganda, QAnon is spouting and stating that there were bioweapons in Ukraine, created by the US. Tucker Carlson is propagating this nonsense notion.

Stupid bastards now feel vindicated in their support of a truly evil and fascist regimen. Only they know the truth, unlike the rest of us Sheeple 🙄

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2022 06:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764012#Comment_118764012

The Azoz battalion is about 900 members. Ukraine should have disbanded them but Russia declared hybrid warfare in the country in 2014, and the Ukrainians have since been desperately fighting Russia's proxy forces in the S.E of the country, they couldn't really afford to be very picky.

Around 20% of the group identify as Neo-Nazi's (or whatever) but let's just call it a third of the battalion, that's 300 men.

Ukraine has 125k army, 60k national guard and almost a million reservists.

300 people out of 1.2 million. That's 0.025%. Right let's call it the full battalion of 900 out of 1.2 million. 0.075%

Get my point? The only reason we are discussing this absurd nonsense is because of Russian propaganda. The reason Russian propaganda is so potent is not because it admonishes Russia, but because it gets people to doubt the Ukrainians and/or the West

briany · 10-03-2022 06:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764128#Comment_118764128

They weren't 'selling out' by looking westward, firstly. Secondly, f*ck Russia. Even if they smash the country, they cannot smash Ukrainians' eventual aspirations, even if the invasion delays its achievement.

Yurt2 · 10-03-2022 06:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764148#Comment_118764148

To think Tucker Carlson once applied to join the CIA. He was rejected on personality grounds allegedly. And probably IQ grounds as well but they were being polite.

Necro · 10-03-2022 06:42PM

https://twitter.com/RobHarris/status/1501962126973456384?t=Bebt_GoSkEeVEyZVafrzwA&s=19

The whole house of cards collapsing in on Chelsea now.

jolivmmx · 10-03-2022 06:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764157#Comment_118764157

It is deliberate misinformation. He is an extremely sinister threat to democracy.

But then I remember how 99% of people that I have met in real life feel really sad for the Ukrainian people and wish them peace and sovereignty.

Unfortunately, the 1% of “critical thinkers” make disproportionate noise on the internet

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2022 06:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764128#Comment_118764128

They wanted to join the EU since the 90's, they obviously had no idea that Russia would actually invade their country for attempting to do so. The very notion of which was considered completely absurd up until a few weeks ago.

Loafing Oaf · 10-03-2022 06:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764079#Comment_118764079

Or perhaps Ukraine's renewed determination to join NATO might have something to do with this and this

https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2014-09-03/russian-military-intervention-eastern-ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

Maybe after those incursions the Ukranians might have feared Putin would one day try to take over their entire country...

Wibbs · 10-03-2022 06:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764091#Comment_118764091

Afghanistan was and is a very different environment. The American coalition couldn't hold it, the USSR had no hope. What's different? Afghanistan is not so much a country as a patchwork of fiefdoms ruled by local warlords. They fight among themselves but respond to external threats together with a strong faith as the glue. It's one of the most mountainous regions on the planet and is decentralised among those mountains and valleys and roads are basic if even present, where defenders can dig in and hide and modern military tech has a hard time taking them out. You go valley by valley and they just move and come back when you're gone. Beyond Kabul the infrastructure is basic to non existent and the people are used to and happy living in that. Taking Kabul is a piece of piss, extending that to the rest of the country isn't. Not by a long shot. The country is a graveyard to many military misadventures over centuries.

Ukraine is one of the flatest nations out there, with some mountains to the very West. A modern more centralised nation with modern infrastructure, that people are used to and need to live, which makes it far more vulnerable. Complex systems always are. To really stretch a comparative anology, Afghanistan is like a rock, Ukraine is like a pocketwatch. Which is easier to break?

Ukraine was already a proxy peace and now a proxy war. That ship has sailed too.

brickster69 · 10-03-2022 06:47PM

Russia suspends exports of Fertilizers

https://seekingalpha.com/amp/news/3812197-russia-to-temporarily-suspend-fertilizer-exports

Ash.J.Williams · 10-03-2022 06:48PM

If Ukraine want to join NATO, EU or even the GAA it's none of Russia's business and they can indeed f** off....it's not like they were going to attack Russia

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2022 06:52PM

More gear arriving and in use

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1501976730721996807

omega man · 10-03-2022 06:53PM

Putin is finished one way or another in my opinion. It’s now about whether Russia and its people want to go down with him or not.

Wibbs · 10-03-2022 06:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764091#Comment_118764091

Of course they can win it. If they are given the weapons.

On this point Snooker: If you're defending your home on your own I can give you ten AK47's and all the rounds you want. If ten men with AK47's and an RPG are attacking your home, you're not going to win. You can kill or injure a couple of the men attacking you and if you injure or kill enough that the rest keep their heads down that's great, but you won't win. Especially if they can get a couple of men to replace the dead ones. You can hopefully hold out until the attackers figure the juice isn't worth the squeeze and back off. That's essentially Ukraine's position.

generic_throwaway · 10-03-2022 06:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764128#Comment_118764128

I guess Estonia, Czechia, Poland all sold out too? They should know their natural place, under Russia's heel?

People have some really wacky beliefs.

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2022 06:54PM

More companies exiting Russia today, Burger King, Mars.

It's going to start getting very Soviet/Chinese over there I suspect

wandererz · 10-03-2022 06:56PM

Run Roman Run!

generic_throwaway · 10-03-2022 06:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764183#Comment_118764183

We knew Russia invading was an absurd notion 3 weeks ago because Russia told us it was themselves.

Dohnjoe · 10-03-2022 06:57PM

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1501979362878533633

Kermit.de.frog · 10-03-2022 06:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118763764#Comment_118763764

The Dutch are 100% right here.

Does Ukraine meet the criteria for membership on corruption, infrastructure, economy and governance?

These are questions and tasks for all applicant countries.

You can't have a fast track. It undermines the whole thing and would not be good for the EU.

10-03-2022 06:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118763861#Comment_118763861

Agree that that is what should happen (and is still the likely scenario IMO). It should be noted through that that outcome would only have come about by what the Ukrainians (and NATO) have done militarily over the last couple of weeks, along with the leadership of Zelensky and belligerence of the population. If not for that, the terms would be very different

Yurt2 · 10-03-2022 07:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764261#Comment_118764261

I dunno, Burger Tsar and Krasnoyarsk Fried Chicken has a nice ring to it.

generic_throwaway · 10-03-2022 07:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118763983#Comment_118763983

Strange question from a poster who called themselves 'Bayonet'.

briany · 10-03-2022 07:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118764256#Comment_118764256

Well, yeah. No-one is expecting Ukraine to launch a counter attack and push the invaders back to Moscow, but the hope would be that Ukraine can hang on until the war becomes economically or politically unviable for Russia to continue waging and they essentially retreat from the country under terms somewhat less than what they're currently demanding.

brickster69 · 10-03-2022 07:03PM

Also suspends exports to Eurasian Economic Union countries of wheat, meslin, rye, barley & corn

https://twitter.com/NicoleGrajewski/status/1501966654569340937

10-03-2022 07:04PM

@Wibbs I'm wondering from a recent post is part of where we're clashing is to do with sanctions. Are you working on the assumption that sanctions won't be lifted if Russia pull out/armistice/agreement? I'm working on the assumption that the second Russia pull out then the money taps open again.

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